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moomin75
04 June 2020 07:45:55


 


I am not seeing any signs of a washout either, certainly not on a consistent basis. Yes, there have been some rather more unsettled runs thrown into the mix along with those which have been generally more settled, but I have seen nothing which makes me think a re-run of the likes of 2007 and 2012 is likely to happen.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

You have no idea how much I hope you are right and I am completely wrong David.


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JOHN NI
04 June 2020 07:46:08


 


I am not seeing any signs of a washout either, certainly not on a consistent basis. Yes, there have been some rather more unsettled runs thrown into the mix along with those which have been generally more settled, but I have seen nothing which makes me think a re-run of the likes of 2007 and 2012 is likely to happen.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Looking at the overall theme - over several days/models'/runs and ensembles - the bulk of June looks to be less settled than much of the spring but still with some warm/dry interludes - especially towards the south and east. Further north, some occasional Atlantic ingress may bring some cloudier interludes with some rain at times but even here intervening ridges bring some periods of fair weather. In other words what I'm seeing is broadly climatology for the UK in June.


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David M Porter
04 June 2020 07:52:29


You have no idea how much I hope you are right and I am completely wrong David.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


I rather doubt that what you are seeing will be vastly, if indeed much or any different at all, to what both myself and most other members here are seeing Kieren, if we are all looking at the same model output that is.


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04 June 2020 08:08:00

The regular review this morning a bit delayed due to unforeseen circs but at least ECM 0z has had time to download.


Jetstream currently running from NW all the way down to the Med but then forming broad lop over N Sea by Sat 6th. Then for week beginning Mon 9th it curls around the Azores HP with a N-ly flow over the UK followed by a messy interlude before a reset around Mon 16th sees a W/NW-ly flow across the UK eventually moving to across Shetland at end of that week.


Rainfall charts show showers everywhere except the SW ; Arpege favours the heavisest rain in the SE on Sun but Hirlam concentrates on Scotland on Fri.


GFS has deep LP off NE England Sat 6th with gales to west of it but it moves off fairly quickly and Azores HP moves in reaching max extent on Fri 12th after which it backs off and allows weak LP in from N on Tue 16th. More HP coming up from S on Tue 20th.


ECM starts off similar to GFS but has the Azores HP max a day earlier and likewise its decay earlier with a trailing trough from the N on Sat 13th


GEFS cool to about Thu 11th then a spell slightly above average to Tue 16th before dropping back to average. Bits and pieces of rain throughout but distinctly less than shown yesterday; a few runs with isolated big spikes in Midlands and SE


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Rob K
04 June 2020 08:12:47
Given that yesterday's forecast of showers much of the day resulted in a grand total of 0.4mm of rain here, I'm not expecting to need an ark any time soon. Even GFS which tends to overdo rain totals only delivers 19mm of accumulated rainfall over the next 10 days, which takes us out almost to midmonth.

ECM looks like it wants to build high pressure in but we end up in a bit of a precarious col situation.
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Ally Pally Snowman
04 June 2020 08:21:21

Given that yesterday's forecast of showers much of the day resulted in a grand total of 0.4mm of rain here, I'm not expecting to need an ark any time soon. Even GFS which tends to overdo rain totals only delivers 19mm of accumulated rainfall over the next 10 days, which takes us out almost to midmonth.

ECM looks like it wants to build high pressure in but we end up in a bit of a precarious col situation.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


Yep still waiting for rain here as well and not much forecast either.


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Northern Sky
04 June 2020 08:31:19


 


Or, it could turn potentially more unsettled than not, but without anything extreme. 


It isn’t all or nothing. There isn’t much in the output that suggests anything particularly noteworthy - whether it’s a heatwave or copious amounts of rain (as much as we need the latter). 


My gut suggests we’ll see a very British mixture between the two scenarios. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


I hope that's the case Joe. Good old 'changeable' seems to have gone out of fashion with the UK climate, instead we seem to get stuck in patterns for weeks. 


As you say not much noteworthy in the models after Saturday but I'm pleased we'll be getting some rain in Leeds over the next few days at least.

Matty H
04 June 2020 08:34:27

Imagine being stupid enough to write off an entire month a few days ago. Next week looking better


Rob K
04 June 2020 08:38:46


 


 


Yep still waiting for rain here as well and not much forecast either.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Latest Arpege has really reduced the rain totals compared to the previous run. Less than 5mm here out to Monday, when the previous run was showing close to 20mm.


https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/arpege.php?ech=102&mode=25&map=330


 


Parts of Hampshire and Dorset get barely 1mm on this run.


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Downpour
04 June 2020 09:45:46

Given that yesterday's forecast of showers much of the day resulted in a grand total of 0.4mm of rain here, I'm not expecting to need an ark any time soon. Even GFS which tends to overdo rain totals only delivers 19mm of accumulated rainfall over the next 10 days, which takes us out almost to midmonth.

ECM looks like it wants to build high pressure in but we end up in a bit of a precarious col situation.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


Yes, so much for the serious rain which has been ramped yet again on TWO. When will we ever learn?


I was out with the hosepipe – again – last night and the garden remains parched. 


This sort of cool-dry weather does little for anyone, except the c-suite of Thames Water, who can expect even bigger bonuses than usual. 


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Downpour
04 June 2020 09:47:30


 


 


Yep still waiting for rain here as well and not much forecast either.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


The chase for gardeners' rain in what is still astronomically late Spring has become like the chase for meaningful snow in winter, or unicorns in Epping Forest.


 


Exciting – but ultimately fruitless. 


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London E4
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briggsy6
04 June 2020 09:52:15

As the rain has failed to materialise so the predicted temps have been upgraded. Originally 14c was the predicted maximum for London today - this morning it's shot up to 18c. I expect a similar pattern to occur over the weekend.


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04 June 2020 09:54:17


Imagine being stupid enough to write off an entire month a few days ago. Next week looking better


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


He could yet prove to be correct of course, but the time to verify that is July 1st :)


I think this just demonstrates the perils on basing your predictions on run to run output, especially the GFS with 4 runs a day and goes out further than anything else.


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Downpour
04 June 2020 09:55:47


As the rain has failed to materialise so the predicted temps have been upgraded. Originally 14c was the predicted maximum for London today - this morning it's shot up to 18c. I expect a similar pattern to occur over the weekend.


Originally Posted by: briggsy6 


 


Indeed I  think 12c was forecast for Saturday at one stage? 


That looks impossible now. 


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sunnyramsgate
04 June 2020 09:59:58
I rest my case re my comment yesterday....mind you its raining here in Canterbury
moomin75
04 June 2020 10:25:32


Imagine being stupid enough to write off an entire month a few days ago. Next week looking better


Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Imagine being stupid enough to comment on someone being stupid enough to write off an entire month a few days ago. 🤣🤣🤣


Never ever change Matty, I need you to keep challenging me and calling me out. Seriously, I do. Despite everything, I have enormous respect for you....you (and I) go back a long way on here.


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speckledjim
04 June 2020 11:44:34


Imagine being stupid enough to write off an entire month a few days ago. Next week looking better


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Imagine being stupid enough to repeat it year on year and never learn.


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Rob K
04 June 2020 12:13:05


Indeed I  think 12c was forecast for Saturday at one stage? 


That looks impossible now. 


Originally Posted by: Downpour 


My phone app is still saying 14C here for Saturday, which broadly agrees with GFS raw output. GEFS spread for Saturday max is from 13C to 17C.


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Brian Gaze
04 June 2020 14:00:26

I've just added in GEFS 2m temperature anomaly charts. These show the anomaly between the GEFS mean (so all 20 runs averaged) vs the 1981 - 2010 climatology average. 


All can be selected from the GEFS chart viewer:


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gefs.aspx


Direct links are in the Tweet below.


 




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Joe Bloggs
04 June 2020 16:20:32

12z GFS op very HP dominated. 



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SJV
04 June 2020 16:28:29


12z GFS op very HP dominated. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Still a consistent trend for the door to open to very warm air from the east by mid-month. In the interim it looks increasingly settled next week with high pressure ridging in more assertively from the SW 


edit: having done some comparison with the 06z, there are quite a few differences that develop by midweek and therefore a lot to be determined. The 12z will sit more towards the mean in the ensembles later IMO, maybe towards the top end slightly.

Bolty
04 June 2020 17:17:20
Yes a fairly big flip from the GFS over the last few days to predominantly warm, dry and settled conditions. Once again, is this another unettled spell that won't be lasting for as long as originally thought?
Scott
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Brian Gaze
04 June 2020 17:28:03

Global Icon 12. Sometimes a curtain raiser for the ECM, so not looking great.


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/icon-global.aspx


 



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Ally Pally Snowman
04 June 2020 17:41:46

Warmest GEFS of the year. Hopefully it verifies very autumnal today


 


 



 


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tierradelfuego
04 June 2020 18:21:24

Looks very dry in reality... sure, the Op is pretty much top of the pack in FI with a few days around 5mm, but the very few P's with high levels of 5mm+ are really elevating the mean to 1 or 2mm. Very warm as you say APS.


 



Warmest GEFS of the year. Hopefully it verifies very autumnal today


 


 



 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


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