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Crepuscular Ray
03 August 2020 15:02:45
Think this hot spell will only be for the Midlands and SE. Don't think Scotland will join in this time. 29 C in Edinburgh on 31st July and 30 C near Inverness!!
Jerry
Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill
Rob K
03 August 2020 16:33:30
GFS 12Z is watering it down for everyone, with relatively cool (sub 10C) air even for the south by Sunday morning.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Ally Pally Snowman
03 August 2020 16:33:48

GFS blows the heat east by Saturday afternoon. But UKMO remains absolutely roasting until Sunday afternoon and by the looks much longer


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David M Porter
03 August 2020 16:35:50

Think this hot spell will only be for the Midlands and SE. Don't think Scotland will join in this time. 29 C in Edinburgh on 31st July and 30 C near Inverness!!

Originally Posted by: Crepuscular Ray 


Looks like Edinburgh and Inverness were two of the lucky places up here on Friday. We were forecast to reach about 27C in this area but in the event, I don't think we got higher than the low 20s. Not sunny enough!


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moomin75
03 August 2020 16:44:14


GFS blows the heat east by Saturday afternoon. But UKMO remains absolutely roasting until Sunday afternoon and by the looks much longer


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Not so sure this will be a particularly long lasting hot spell to be honest. Maybe two days rather than one day, but I feel that momentum is building towards a marked cool down (though still very pleasant) on Saturday and beyond.


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Ally Pally Snowman
03 August 2020 16:53:36


Not so sure this will be a particularly long lasting hot spell to be honest. Maybe two days rather than one day, but I feel that momentum is building towards a marked cool down (though still very pleasant) on Saturday and beyond.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


 


Big model uncertainty for sure from Saturday onwards.


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TimS
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03 August 2020 17:00:03

This happens so often: there's an extended heatwave modelled across the board, but always with one or two outliers that show it ending sooner. Then one of the models grabs hold of the ending sooner theme and starts to model it consistently, while others keep the heat going.


Then at some point 4 or 5 days before the event the other models fall into line and we get the cliff in 850s. Then it becomes a question about how soon that cliff arrives. The cliff always wins.


Looking at GEFS dripping out this evening it seems we have a cliff due sometime on Saturday or Sunday. GEFS mean down to average by early next week, even if a bit warmer than the op.



Brockley, South East London 30m asl
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03 August 2020 17:33:16
I wonder if it’s this hurricane off the coast of Florida which is causing all the problems?
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Brian Gaze
03 August 2020 17:35:48

GEFS offers solid support for cooler air to return this weekend. Mean is reasonably representative.



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superteacher
03 August 2020 17:46:13

Remember that that earlier this summer, the GFS and all 20 of its ensembles were wrong at T96!
GEM and ICON don’t agree with it, and neither does UKMO, which after a short cool off, look to reload the heat.

Rob K
03 August 2020 17:52:19
ICON is indeed a bit of a scorcher with the 20C isotherm pushing up again at the end of the run. UKMO not far off although less extreme.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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moomin75
03 August 2020 18:12:51

Remember that that easier this summer, the GFS and all 20 of its ensembles were wrong at T96!
GEM and ICON don’t agree with it, and neither does UKMO, which after a short cool off, look to reload the heat.

Originally Posted by: superteacher 


Kind of agree with this, but my instinct is that if GFS shows something less favourable, it's more often than not, near the mark.


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TimS
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03 August 2020 18:33:38
Interesting runs this evening. All except ICON now going for the cooler secondary anticyclone, but with some keeping the heat hanging on in the S (ECM, GEM, UKMO) and GFS blasting it away because of a little trough that stops the secondary anticyclone from strengthening as much to our North.
Brockley, South East London 30m asl
moomin75
03 August 2020 18:38:30

Interesting runs this evening. All except ICON now going for the cooler secondary anticyclone, but with some keeping the heat hanging on in the S (ECM, GEM, UKMO) and GFS blasting it away because of a little trough that stops the secondary anticyclone from strengthening as much to our North.

Originally Posted by: TimS 


ECM nearly loses the heat at 144hrs from the south and east, but at 168 it seems to build back in again. Still all to play for.


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Ally Pally Snowman
03 August 2020 18:40:09


 


ECM nearly loses the heat at 144hrs from the south and east, but at 168 it seems to build back in again. Still all to play for.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


 


ECM is 40c run insane heat


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moomin75
03 August 2020 18:44:18


 


 


ECM is 40c run insane heat


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

I wouldn't say that Ally. Possibly mid-30s though for sure.


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TimS
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03 August 2020 18:45:21
Yes, ECM insanely hot at 192 but looking like It might degrade into a slow moving thundery low, GEM style, thereafter. We’ll see.
Brockley, South East London 30m asl
richardabdn
03 August 2020 18:46:33


 


Looks like Edinburgh and Inverness were two of the lucky places up here on Friday. We were forecast to reach about 27C in this area but in the event, I don't think we got higher than the low 20s. Not sunny enough!


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


They were very much the exceptions. It was a flop in NE Scotland away from the Moray Firth as a mass of unforecast cloud appeared in the middle of the day to peg back the temperatures.


It's been dire ever since and a prolonged settled spell is required rather than record or near record heat. Another cold and wet day tomorrow which will mean we have endured about a months worth of rain in just 10 days 


Then some better but unspectacular days, that won't be good enough to cancel out the appalling start to the month, before it goes downhill rapidly in time for the weekend. Yet another write-off weekend on the cards - virtual repeat of the last one by the looks of things. More drizzly, damp, cool and cloudy NW'ly rubbish here in New Shetland:


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The following weekend I'm going to Glencoe and dread to think how bad it will be there 


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
03 August 2020 18:55:07


I wouldn't say that Ally. Possibly mid-30s though for sure.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


 


It's showing 35c widely next Tuesday you can normally add 2or 3 to that. It was 5c too low last Friday.


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moomin75
03 August 2020 18:56:00


 


 


It's showing 35c widely next Tuesday you can normally add 2or 3 to that. It was 5c too low last Friday.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

It's an insane run for sure. Absolute certainty this will be a major hot outlier sadly.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
xioni2
03 August 2020 18:58:42


 ECM is 40c run insane heat


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Perhaps not quite 40C, but close to it and with heat index in the 40s as DPs are very high. 

ballamar
03 August 2020 18:59:43
ECM is a little enticing for the home holiday crew - could be too hot
Ally Pally Snowman
03 August 2020 19:02:52


It's an insane run for sure. Absolute certainty this will be a major hot outlier sadly.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


 


It's a frighteningly hot run to be honest. I like extremes but I'd be struggling in that heat.


 


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moomin75
03 August 2020 19:05:02


 


 


It's a frighteningly hot run to be honest. I like extremes but I'd be struggling in that heat.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

I am as close to 100% certain as I can be that this ECM will be for the bin. There is just no way this will (or can) verify. Massive outlier is my bet.


Witney, Oxfordshire
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ballamar
03 August 2020 19:09:50


I am as close to 100% certain as I can be that this ECM will be for the bin. There is just no way this will (or can) verify. Massive outlier is my bet.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


of course it can verify - we just had 37.8 from a 2 day blast Europe is hot it won’t take much. Don’t dismiss as you don’t believe, the foundation is there for it

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