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Rob K
05 August 2020 16:56:16


 


 


I sincerely hope you get great weather! 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


12Z is not quite as HP dominated but not bad for the most part.


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TimS
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05 August 2020 17:11:14

GFS 12z op a cool outlier from mid next week onwards. Quite a marked outlier, no ENS support. But that's been the case (op much cooler than the pack) frequently throughout this summer.



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Retron
05 August 2020 17:42:46

http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.png


Not very often you get to see the 22C isotherm over the UK!


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doctormog
05 August 2020 17:56:55


GFS 12z op a cool outlier from mid next week onwards. Quite a marked outlier, no ENS support. But that's been the case (op much cooler than the pack) frequently throughout this summer.



Originally Posted by: TimS 


(Crocodile Dundee voice on)


That’s not an outlier. This is an outlier. 


ballamar
05 August 2020 18:37:50
Liking the ECM this evening
TimS
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05 August 2020 18:38:42

Liking the ECM this evening

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


Not so keen - a bit Easterly and then the bubbling low moves in next week. 


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superteacher
05 August 2020 20:05:32
ECM is still hot until Wednesday.
Heavy Weather 2013
06 August 2020 07:09:42
Saturday starting to come into Play for record temperatures I think. Brian alluded to this earlier in the week. 850s could be up a degree on Friday. One to watch I feel.
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DEW
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06 August 2020 07:17:27

Jetstream from the S at the moment but non-existent anywhere the UK from Saturday until Tue 18th when it resumes W-ly close to the N of Scotland


GFS - Ridge of HP from Azores to Norway persists with high temps until Tue 18th when the Norway end of it collapses, and the Azores end moves to become centred over the Low Countries Sat 22nd. Continental LP pushes up against the ridge from time to time affecting only the S, most notably Fri 14th.


GEFS - Temps in the S v.high to Fri 14th (7-8C above norm) then sharply dropping to close or even a bit below norm. Some rain irom Tue 11th onward, no clear pattern. Scotland and the N similar but slower to warm up, not reaching the high temps until Mon 10th.


ECM - also has ridge in place but like yesterday shows it as  more of a twin-centre feature with the UK under a col and the Continental LP more prominent


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Justin W
06 August 2020 07:18:16

Saturday starting to come into Play for record temperatures I think. Brian alluded to this earlier in the week. 850s could be up a degree on Friday. One to watch I feel.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Arpege says close but no cigar. Still bloody awful heat though



Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Brian Gaze
06 August 2020 07:29:39

Now looking like peak 850s could be around 12/13 Aug.



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Rob K
06 August 2020 08:54:35


Now looking like peak 850s could be around 12/13 Aug.



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Yes I just mentioned in the record temps thread that it looks like the start of the heat has been moderated slightly but it maintains a blistering level for longer - a full week of 30C+ heat looks very likely, with maybe 5 days of 35C+.


It's hard to believe that as I look out at the dank grey cloud outside this morning though!


 


PS Brian have you had site problems this morning? I tried to access around 9am and couldn't get on the site.


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Phil G
06 August 2020 10:42:00
Some pretty high CAPE values over the country at certain times during next week. Expecting some very heavy localised downpours which might provide flash flooding in one or two areas.
ballamar
06 August 2020 10:49:49

Some pretty high CAPE values over the country at certain times during next week. Expecting some very heavy localised downpours which might provide flash flooding in one or two areas.

Originally Posted by: Phil G 


 


Could be perfect weather week, it was hinted at a long time back as well

TimS
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06 August 2020 11:19:43

Is the 06z GFS the hottest operational run in the history of TWO?


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superteacher
06 August 2020 11:22:25


Is the 06z GFS the hottest operational run in the history of TWO?


Originally Posted by: TimS 


Surely a contender?

Heavy Weather 2013
06 August 2020 11:22:49


Is the 06z GFS the hottest operational run in the history of TWO?


Originally Posted by: TimS 


Probably level with 2003 I think.


I wonder if a Level 4 Heatwave warning will be issued?


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Saint Snow
06 August 2020 12:39:16

BBC website forecast for here next week shows a total washout most days. 



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ozone_aurora
06 August 2020 12:49:18

Some pretty high CAPE values over the country at certain times during next week. Expecting some very heavy localised downpours which might provide flash flooding in one or two areas.

Originally Posted by: Phil G 


Yes, next week's synopsis resembles that of 5/6 August 1981, with very heavy thundery rain over Manchester & Cheshire & a MCS thunderstorm over London.

Saint Snow
06 August 2020 13:14:20

Last few GFS runs have been characterised by a lot of PPN in UK/France during the next 7-10 days despite high pressure over much of NW Europe. From the midpoint in the runs, that PPN risk expands into the rest of western/central Europe whilst diminishing over the UK from the north to the south.


 



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06 August 2020 13:22:40
The London GFS 6z 850HPa Ens is going into my classics set. A heat lovers dream. Will it convert to surface temperatures though? 'Yes' seems to be the current prognosis.
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Brian Gaze
06 August 2020 13:42:36


 


PS Brian have you had site problems this morning? I tried to access around 9am and couldn't get on the site.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


There was a problem with one of the servers this morning for about 30 minutes.


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Col
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06 August 2020 15:11:47


BBC website forecast for here next week shows a total washout most days. 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


My experience with that is wait a few hours and you might get something that looks rather more promising, it chops & changes around so much. It's fine for the broader picture and trends but for the weather on any specific day, it's pretty useless.


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Bertwhistle
06 August 2020 16:16:06

Looking like a stand off between the metoffice and GEFS.

Latest met extended forecast mentions fairly strong signals for unsettled weather with below average temperatures, but closer to average in southeast.

GEFS looking rather dry, and very warm with average 850's fluctuating between the 10-15C marks.

Who will change their tune in the near future - I'm betting on the met changing their tune.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Looks like you were right here about Met- but GEFS have also had a change of heart, so both.


This illustrates for all to see, just what a difference a week makes- underlying signals are larger scale than those which can predict regional weather. A reminder not to write off, or write on, anything too early (not meaning you here Pictures!)


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06 August 2020 16:19:37


 


Arpege says close but no cigar. Still bloody awful heat though



Originally Posted by: Justin W 


That is an excellent image to back up what I posted yesterday (in support of Retron) in the Regional Climate Shift thread about the continental influence on the climate of the far SE, especially Kent, Essex, and Sussex, and generally SE of the Chilterns.


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