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JRobinson
23 January 2021 03:08:22

In the interests of being balanced....


The mildest run @300hrs...




Guaranteed to happen of course XD


But even this turns colder

CField
23 January 2021 05:59:01

Tells a story.......drier end with coldest nights of winter?


SW blizzard those mid month spikes?



 


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Ally Pally Snowman
23 January 2021 07:00:03

Interesting ECM this morning the slightest of height rises to our north at 192h. Nearly gets us to the promised land by day 10.


https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=2&run=0&time=240&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=24#mapref


 


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23 January 2021 07:32:43

Jetstream strong and across mostly the S of UK until Sun 31st when it breaks up into loops which first drag it further S by Thu 4th and finally break it up chaotically before it resumes well to the S Mon 8th.


GFS generally shows a passage of LPs from the Atlantic, the occasional one hanging around long enough to introduce a brief but not very cold N-ly day or so (e.g. Sun 31st 975mb central England, Thu 4th 990mb N Sea) . Ridge of HP to the W on Sat 6th moves rapidly to become major high over Sweden 1055mb Mon 8th bringing E-lies from deep in Russia (but all the cold air which it could have drawn on has been pushed away by the preceding two weeks of W-lies)


GEFS cold to Wed 27th (even a snow row value of 23 spotted for Brighton), mild to Sun 31st, short-lived cold dip and recovery before most runs settle into a cold orientation with op and control leading the way to very cold from Thu 4th. Rain/snow around on most days but trend is to drier weather from Thu 4th. Scotland has a briefer mild spell, and once the temp has dipped on Sat 30th it stays that way (though hints of a milder end of run). Also rather drier in E Scotland than in England.


ECM agrees with GFS 


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Rob K
23 January 2021 08:14:38
A very solid looking Scandi high at the end of the GFS run this morning but we have the same problem we had earlier in the winter with no cold air this side of the Urals to tap into.
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Heavy Weather 2013
23 January 2021 08:44:04

A very solid looking Scandi high at the end of the GFS run this morning but we have the same problem we had earlier in the winter with no cold air this side of the Urals to tap into.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Yep you couldn’t make it up. That’s probably the scenario we will end up with. Can you imagine all this waiting and we end up back at square one lol.


 


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Gusty
23 January 2021 08:45:05


 


Yep you couldn’t make it up. That’s probably the scenario we will end up with. Can you imagine all this waiting and we end up back at square one lol.


 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


What's up with you guys..... Enjoy potential in the here and now ! 


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Heavy Weather 2013
23 January 2021 08:48:20


 


What's up with you guys..... Enjoy potential in the here and now ! 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Your right Steve. To be honest, I am hopeful for tomorrow. 


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doctormog
23 January 2021 08:48:53
Generally a coolish outlook up here with a briefly more average blip in a few days time. Totally uninspiring and largely snow free with hints of easterly muck and FI promise.

Now the models show. Good consensus for conditions cold enough for snow it shows us being in completely dry conditions until the milder blip and rain moves in for a while.
White Meadows
23 January 2021 08:58:16
Things have looked up and down since the turn of the year. But with every passing fail, perhaps we’ll all be dead by the time the last fading, feeble easterly meets these shores.
The Beast from the East
23 January 2021 09:07:28

Models certainly picking up the signal for height rises to the north, but before that lots of rain! Oh dear


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White Meadows
23 January 2021 09:47:27
Tomas Schnnackerssnzzzznifkfkfkfkmehejer going with 10cm widely across the south first thing tomorrow morning
Narnia
23 January 2021 09:49:38
Looks like there might be more snow events especially for southern Scotland and northern England depending where any low pressures track. Cold air never too far away from Scotland.
Rob K
23 January 2021 09:50:44

Things have looked up and down since the turn of the year. But with every passing fail, perhaps we’ll all be dead by the time the last fading, feeble easterly meets these shores.

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


That’s the spirit! laughing


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Phil24
23 January 2021 10:10:03


 


As you probably realise this isn't my specialist subject - but I thought it might be showing that the initial burst of SSW didn't have sufficient momentum to work fully down through the atmosphere? Doesn't the physics support the idea of the warming dissipating/diffusing into the surrounding area in some circumstances?


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I have been following SSW and effects on PV movement displacement for a couple of years (the 2018 beast, promoted that interest) and thought I could read this chart in a generic sense, well enough to see if what was going on in the Strat particularly during warming made it into the Trop. This current unusual event is apparently delaying the mixing of atmospheres into the Trop (like it’s being shoved back up), why, and what the actual outcome will be, is yet to be observed, but considering this information helps form opinion for events in the Trop, it’s no wonder models are struggling to cope. 

squish
23 January 2021 10:19:55
Have you seen the ECM control !
D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
Brian Gaze
23 January 2021 10:35:28

Steady as she goes this morning. Cold, milder and then very probably colder again during the early part of February. More emphasis on colder conditions in the north.


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/premium/gefs-tables.aspx


 



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fairweather
23 January 2021 10:41:33

Rise in Ensemble mean 850hPa(London) from minimum of -6.4C on last night's 18z to -3.9C on 00z this morning in later reaches of run. Hopefully back downward trend in 06z.


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Retron
23 January 2021 10:50:58

Have you seen the ECM control !

Originally Posted by: squish 


Yup, -12C 850s and not even an ice day from it.


(Other locations are available and may have better results. )


https://weather.us/model-charts/euro/united-kingdom/m0_temperature/20210123-1200z.html


is the link to play with it.


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tallyho_83
23 January 2021 11:09:02

Quite a flip between 00z and 06z run from +300z 


 


The Scandinavian High turns into a Scandinavian low - just as well it's over 300z away:


00z run:



06z run



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squish
23 January 2021 11:20:20
Hi Retron.... I was looking at the De Bildt set. -10c day maxes by end
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fairweather
23 January 2021 11:24:53


Quite a flip between 00z and 06z run from +300z 


 


The Scandinavian High turns into a Scandinavian low - just as well it's over 300z away:


00z run:



06z run



Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


Yes, even the mean is flipping 3C per run at that stage.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Rob K
23 January 2021 12:37:08
I hadn’t seen how cold the 18Z GFS ensembles were. The 6Z look very slightly colder than the 0Z but now where near the 18Z. Still looks like a cool down of some sort is likely around the 4th-5th of Feb.
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Jiries
23 January 2021 12:53:02

Hi Retron.... I was looking at the De Bildt set. -10c day maxes by end

Originally Posted by: squish 


Then London would be looking at -2 to -3 maxes while outside the city and away from cities should see -5C or so.   Feb was -2 and -7C in London while in West Ewell, Surrey was -5C and -11C over night.  I used to rely on Dutch weather forecasts to know the outcome for here during teletext days and no models before.  I prefer the past days which always come right unlike now most models had been wrong and resulted different on the ground condition.

Joe Bloggs
23 January 2021 13:36:20

Tomas Schnnackerssnzzzznifkfkfkfkmehejer going with 10cm widely across the south first thing tomorrow morning

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


I was watching him this morning and he seemed hungover. Absolutely woeful and could barely string a sentence together. 


But I still love him. :D 



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