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hobensotwo
24 January 2021 19:16:25

Personally I don't think that it would take much of a switch to see colder conditions extending across a wider part of the UK in the coming week to 10 days! GEM 12z is a case in point.

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 


We seem to be frustratingly too far south to get in on any of the action. Just sleet and hail here so far.


I'm still hopeful we will get our opportunity as momentum gathers to the East. It seems like so long since our last snow cover.

Whether Idle
24 January 2021 19:48:15

Personally I don't think that it would take much of a switch to see colder conditions extending across a wider part of the UK in the coming week to 10 days! GEM 12z is a case in point.

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 


Im as convinced as I can be that you are right.  I think a GIN sea/Scandi High will be the dominant influence on our weather in one weeks' time by 31 January.


GEM has it nailed. 


https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=168&mode=0&carte=1


 


 


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tallyho_83
24 January 2021 19:50:39


12z ECM t+144


A bit of hope for the Kent crew? 



Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


and Exeter crew? :P


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roadrunnerajn
24 January 2021 20:09:55


 


and Exeter crew? :P


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


That set up wouldn’t help Exeter. A strong NE wind would be dry with maybe a rough sleet/snow shower passing through. The chart shown does look like the high to the NW would topple SE killing off any showers and leaving clear frosty conditions.


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marting
24 January 2021 20:14:43

ECM ensembles flipping colder again tonight. The problem is they are flipping every 12 hours! The op was a big warm outlier tonight from day 6 onwards. 
https://www.ecmwf.int/en/forecasts/charts/web/classical_meteogram?facets=undefined&time=2021012412,0,2021012412&epsgram=classical_15d_with_climate&lat=53.2&lon=-2.91667&station_name=ManChester,%20United%20Kingdom&altitude=undefined


The clusters on ECM at 360 hours are now easterly on the whole, suggesting a strong position


https://apps.ecmwf.int/webapps/opencharts/products/cluster_plot_legA?base_time=202101241200&cluster=264_360&parameter=1000


 


Anything can happen past 120 hours I would suggest 


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Rob K
24 January 2021 21:13:37
The GFS keeps coming out with runs that are only one diving low away from a proper cold easterly.

It’s good that today’s snow has come when we still have another four or five weeks of winter opportunity even in the south. I just hope we can get some proper -15C cold air in and have the chance of snow that lies more than a day!
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Brian Gaze
24 January 2021 21:21:25

On balance it continues to look quite mixed. I'd certainly not rule out a Valentine's Day freeze yet.


 




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squish
24 January 2021 21:57:24
Good ICON 18z
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Phil24
24 January 2021 22:40:23


On balance it continues to look quite mixed. I'd certainly not rule out a Valentine's Day freeze yet.


 




Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Pick a number between 1 and 10. Three weeks away and we still can’t get a handle on 96hours. Not that I wouldn’t love it to verify.  


who could have forecast 96 hours ago what happen today. 


interesting times ahead, hopefully a little more insight by Tuesday. 

Rob K
24 January 2021 22:42:42


 


Pick a number between 1 and 10. Three weeks away and we still can’t get a handle on 96hours. Not that I wouldn’t love it to verify.  


who could have forecast 96 hours ago what happen today. 


Originally Posted by: Phil24 


To be fair the iPhone weather app (and GFS) has been showing snow today for over a week. The Met only picked up on it about three days ago. 


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fairweather
25 January 2021 00:18:45


 


and Exeter crew? :P


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


I've all but given up after today but Countryfile forecast did hint at something next weekend after a wet mild week.


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fairweather
25 January 2021 00:20:04

The GFS keeps coming out with runs that are only one diving low away from a proper cold easterly.

It’s good that today’s snow has come when we still have another four or five weeks of winter opportunity even in the south. I just hope we can get some proper -15C cold air in and have the chance of snow that lies more than a day!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


IMBY 


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tallyho_83
25 January 2021 01:43:48


 


I've all but given up after today but Countryfile forecast did hint at something next weekend after a wet mild week.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


I missed it.


Do you have the link to Sunday's countryfile forecast? Or is it the same one on the bbc homepage featuring Helen Willets?


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picturesareme
25 January 2021 03:27:42
P16 on the 18z is pure perfect for down here. Almost a week of sub zero temperatures and almost a foot of snow from 3 fall in 4 days - powdery snow 🤤😍
ballamar
25 January 2021 05:54:26
Synoptics on the ENS at about 288 about as good as possible for early Feb cold spell looks on the cards
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25 January 2021 06:58:45

Busy this morning, might get back later but general outlook not very exciting and indeed a bit messy, mild then cool but a lot of rain about. A morning for the cherrypickers to work on,


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BJBlake
25 January 2021 07:02:25

ENS seems to have followed the GEM pub run and goes for a more prolonged cold spell past 144 hours, but seems to be an outlier, because the GFS has none of it and even old faithful UKMO says no, and brings back the Atlantic. Looking at the perts - it’s anyone’s guess past 144 hours, in terms of bringing back cold from the NE or letting the Atlantic elephant to crash back in. I have a fancy the ECM is going to be right on this. 


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Rob K
25 January 2021 08:00:14
The GFS ensembles are frustrating in that they look poised for an easterly but the northern blocking never quite gets strong enough and the Atlantic ends up taking over in most scenarios.
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nsrobins
25 January 2021 08:17:47
No closer to resolving anything again this morning. The only certainty is we’re another day closer to Spring 😎
ECM is not toeing the line with it’s cousin the GEM and although the control and a few GEFS go down the NE block route there’s still too much variety to make a call on the outlook.
There’s a possible general snowfall this weekend and that will no doubt keep the pundits happy for a while.
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Hippydave
25 January 2021 08:43:31

No closer to resolving anything again this morning. The only certainty is we’re another day closer to Spring 😎
ECM is not toeing the line with it’s cousin the GEM and although the control and a few GEFS go down the NE block route there’s still too much variety to make a call on the outlook.
There’s a possible general snowfall this weekend and that will no doubt keep the pundits happy for a while.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


FWIW I'd say the ECM ens this morning are a reasonable match for the GFS ens - so mild blip incoming, then a cool down to below average for a couple of days, another little milder blip in early Feb and then cooling down again. There's presumably competing signals the further out you go (as usual) as whilst the mean is -2/-3* by the end there's a noticeable amount that go milder. 


*I know means are a bit pointless in many cases but from looking at the ens in that format it does usually correspond to a decent chance of colder than average. 


When you look at a lot of the near misses on the main models how much strength the Atlantic has and the track the LPs take is clearly more important to the outcome than usual. History suggests the Atlantic will push any block away so that the South at least stays milder but it wouldn't take much to move the outcome to a more widespread cold one, as a reasonable chunk of both the GFS and ECM ens show. I don't know if the expected reduction in the jet courtesy of the latest warming has taken place or is still expected to, but maybe as we get closer to the reliable the jet strength will have been overplayed and it'll be 'game on'.


(South centric view as usual. A quick look at the ens in the North suggests a much greater chance of it being generally cold up there, imminent milder blip aside. As has been the case for quite a while now I guess).


In the nearer term there's still some snow chances around as the Atlantic pushes in to the colder air although consensus looks to me to be fairly fleeting over higher ground in Northern England (maybe to lower levels for a brief time too) and more chance of snow for the higher parts of Scotland, away from the coasts. Again though it wouldn't take much to change the balance on that, both to more rain or more snow although the latter would need the HP ridge coming up from the SW to be less prominent or to be shoved southwards by the encroaching LPs IMO and that looks unlikely to me


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some faraway beach
25 January 2021 09:56:45

No closer to resolving anything again this morning. The only certainty is we’re another day closer to Spring 😎

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


I prefer to think of it as one day more of cooling sea-surface temperatures. That's why I'm always more interested in potentially cold synoptics in February and March than December or January - with every passing day the the scope for an angle of attack safely reaching our shores gets broader. 


 


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
Gooner
25 January 2021 10:06:44

Chart image


A dive down around the 2nd , can it be maintained ???


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Quantum
25 January 2021 10:46:54

Its crazy how we have no idea whether wednesday will be a rain or snow event at this range.


ICON/ARPEGE completely different to the GFS


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
hobensotwo
25 January 2021 10:57:32
Nice sliding low in the outer reaches of the 06z.
Another tease for the far South, or signs of things to come. Time will tell.
The Beast from the East
25 January 2021 11:20:10

a few tasty GEFS like this, but most are just atlantic crashing through, rather than energy under the block



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