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Whether Idle
02 December 2014 22:51:44


Snow piling up for some northern and western areas, over a foot across Highland Scotland.


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2014120218/180-780PUK.GIF?02-18


 


 


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


You would hope the Highlands would get some snow in December.


As for the rest of the UK, not a huge chance of more than a smattering in the next couple of weeks methinks.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Medlock Vale Weather
02 December 2014 22:54:09


 


You would hope the Highlands would get some snow in December.


As for the rest of the UK, not a huge chance of more than a smattering in the next couple of weeks methinks.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Indeed would be pretty dire for the rest of us if the highlands had nowt, wouldn't mind this 209cm in Norway though!   http://www2.wetter3.de/Animation_18_UTC/192_35.gif


 


 


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Brian Gaze
02 December 2014 22:55:43

Tonight's 18z run is a bit messy and doesn't really illustrate the point, but one thing I have noticed is on a long fetch west/north westerly GFS tends to undercook 850s ahead of the event. We usually seem to end up with the -5C 850 line making less of a dent across the UK than is forecast.


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nsrobins
03 December 2014 07:57:35

Pm regime continues into December with an average to cool at times mobile straight westerly type pattern.
All good if it's typical UK early winter fayre you're after.

At least the ski resorts should get going in the next few weeks.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
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GIBBY
03 December 2014 08:46:28

HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS FROM THE OUTPUTS OF THE WEATHER COMPUTER PREDICTION MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS FROM 8AM TODAY WEDNESDAY DECEMBER 3RD 2014.


NEXT UPDATE THURSDAY DECEMBER 4TH 08:00


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION A ridge of High pressure lying across Central Britain will decline slowly as fronts lie across the SE of Britain and approach the NW tomorrow.


MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE After weakly changeable conditions in the next 5 days or so it will become more unsettled with wet and windy weather developing for all areas from the middle of next week.


THE JET STREAM ENSEMBLE FORECAST The Jet Stream Ensemble forecast shows an undulating flow likely for a few days with a plunge South of the flow for a time before with time it settles on a West to East flow across Southern England through Week 2 between High pressure to the South and Low to the North of the UK.


GFS OPERATIONAL The GFS operational this morning shows a gradual change to more unsettled and very changeable conditions taking over with spells of windy and rainy weather alternating with colder and clearer air with showers, some wintry in places as Low pressure troughs digs further South down across the UK. Later on in the period the High pressure to the South tilts the airflow to more of a WSW flow with further spells of rain at times for many with the worst rain in the North and West. It would become milder in the SW flow at times especially in the South.


THE GFS PARALLEL RUN The GFS Parallel run illustrates a very zonal pattern developing with Low pressure to the North bringing spells of wind and rain to all areas in temperatures close to average overall with some colder interludes next week with showers, some wintry before generally milder conditions develop later in the period.


THE GFS CONTROL The GFS control run also shows a more volatile and potentially stormy period a week from now as deep and vigorous Low pressure is allowed to make much larger inroads across the UK with gales and heavy rain followed by chilly aor with wintry showers at times. The trend later is for pressure systems to be less pronounced and with High pressure never far to the South the rain looks like it could become more biased towards the North and West later in a milder westerly flow


THE GEFS ENSEMBLES The GEFS Ensembles maintain a period of zonal Westerly winds over the next two weeks circulating around Low pressure to the North and High to the South. As some colder air interjects at first some rather cold and showery interludes develop though as the pattern flattens later with strong West or SW winds temperatures will recover to average or above with all too frequent periods of rain in the strong winds.


UKMO UKMO today shows the current period of rather cold and changeable weather persisting into next week with some overnight frost for a time. Then the trend next week looks like being towards winder and wetter conditions as deep Low pressure develops to the North of the UK later next week allowing temperatures to rise somewhat especially across the South.


THE FAX CHARTS The Fax Charts show a slow moving trough close to SE England over the coming few days with the ridge across Central UK declining. Occasional rain in the SE and troughs to the NW giving the same will move SE over all areas later in the weekend followed by a chilly NW flow with some showers for a time, wintry on hills.


GEM GEM shows a pattern which deteriorates conditions across the UK from the North later this weekend as Low pressure deepens in the Iceland area feeding the UK gales and heavy rain next week with spells of sunshine and showers in between. Temperatures look like alternating between average conditions or a little below in the showery spells to rather milder at times across the South as warm sectors rush through at times.


NAVGEM NAVGEM too shows strong to gale Westerly winds next week as Low pressure to the North of Scotland delivers very wet weather at times as troughs rush West to East across the UK followed by squally showers. Temperatures will generally be close to average made feel colder in the strength of the wind.


ECM ECM this morning shows a very wet and windy spell developing next week as the current weak troughs crossing SE in a chilly NW flow give way to much deeper fast changing weather type as intense Low pressure  lies close to North of Scotland bringing fast moving periods of rain and showers in near average temperatures and strong winds.


ECM ENSEMBLES This morning's Ensemble data illustrate a typical Winter pattern for the UK with Low pressure to the North of the UK and High pressure near the Azores giving rise to a strong Westerly flow across the UK with rain at times and average temperatures overall.


NOTABLE TREND CHANGES FROM PREVIOUS RUNS The theme has now become strong in support for the quiet and benign spell of late giving way to much more unsettled and windy spells of weather with rain bands and gales alternating with sunshine and showers for all areas. The pattern has flattened this morning making any colder polar maritime incursions of air less potent than was shown yesterday.


MY THOUGHTS All models now support a change to a much more mobile pattern of weather developing from early next week. The current benign spell of rather chilly weather with occasional rain will become a much more robust Westerly flow for all next week as Low pressure deepens markedly to the North with a strong West to East Jet Stream setting up home near Southern Britain. Troughs will rush Eastwards regularly, each bringing it's own mix of rain and gales followed by squally showers. As the pattern remains a Westerly based flow temperatures will be average at worst with only the showery interludes providing any chance of wintry precipitation and these only likely on the high hills and mountains of the North. There is some trend notably from GFS on High pressure to the South of the UK creeping a little closer to SE Britain later backing winds towards the SW which if happens would direct the worst of the continuing wind and rainfall towards the North and West and more importantly bring the chance of mild temperatures to all as the flow tilts more SW to NE. There looks little chance of any significant cold across the UK over the period of the output over the next 10-14 days and conditions shown this morning at the extremities of the run are hardly conducive to bringing any risk of cold in the period thereafter so the chances of anything cold and snowy wise for Christmas 2015 look rather forlorn at the moment though of course there is plenty of time for that to change at this range. Meanwhile it looks like we must all batten down the hatches for a rather different style of Wintry weather than we have seen recently over the upcoming period though I doubt it will set the world on fire by many unless it's gales and heavy rain that floats your boat.


Martin G
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nsrobins
03 December 2014 08:53:46

Good as usual Martin.


Actually the risk of a potent wind event increases next week - with ECM in particular pushes a couple of deepening closed lows across the UK midweek.


Something to watch for.


Neil
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Brian Gaze
03 December 2014 09:23:41

The models look slightly less favourable for snow away from high ground in the north next week than they did last night. This could change in subsequent runs. In the south there was and is very little chance of snow. Unless you live on top of a big hill in the north I expect the main weather story to be strong and potentially damaging winds. 


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Charmhills
03 December 2014 09:48:56


Good as usual Martin.


Actually the risk of a potent wind event increases next week - with ECM in particular pushes a couple of deepening closed lows across the UK midweek.


Something to watch for.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Some interesting weather at least.


Better than endless days of gloom.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
idj20
03 December 2014 10:12:24


 


Some interesting weather at least.


Better than endless days of gloom.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 



So, we go from endless gloom to gale force wind and squally rain. Great.

Still trying to remind myself why I was once a winter lover - still struggling with that. Same goes for getting into meteorology but that was sparked off by that glorious summer of 1976 and how snow seemed to be guaranteed most winters . . . nowadays I seem to feel more anxious and depressed every time I do see an unsettled Atlantic-based outlook, like what the outputs are currently showing (likewise when I sigh in relief at any high-pressure orientated outputs).

Must be an homeowner age thing.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Polar Low
03 December 2014 10:41:24

Perhaps we wont have to wait long for blocking to return


 


https://twitter.com/matthugo81/status/540075794903859200


 


 


 

Charmhills
03 December 2014 10:52:12




So, we go from endless gloom to gale force wind and squally rain. Great.

Still trying to remind myself why I was once a winter lover - still struggling with that. Same goes for getting into meteorology but that was sparked off by that glorious summer of 1976 and how snow seemed to be guaranteed most winters . . . nowadays I seem to feel more anxious and depressed every time I do see an unsettled Atlantic-based outlook, like what the outputs are currently showing (likewise when I sigh in relief at any high-pressure orientated outputs).

Must be an homeowner age thing.


Originally Posted by: idj20 


Bright crisp sunshine between the weather systems great stuff next week.


Squall lines and all.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
The Beast from the East
03 December 2014 10:57:12

With the absense of High pressure in the right places, the current output of cold PM incursions is the best we can hope for as we wait for the vortex to move and split


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Matty H
03 December 2014 11:03:10


Perhaps we wont have to wait long for blocking to return


 


https://twitter.com/matthugo81/status/540075794903859200


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


We can test the theory of some that once this pattern is in, at this time of year, it takes weeks and weeks to break out of it. 


Polar Low
03 December 2014 11:05:21

 


indeed Matty and thanks for deleting by the way rather than getting myself in trouble


 



 


We can test the theory of some that once this pattern is in, at this time of year, it takes weeks and weeks to break out of it. 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Saint Snow
03 December 2014 11:06:11


Perhaps we wont have to wait long for blocking to return


 


https://twitter.com/matthugo81/status/540075794903859200


  


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Matt Hugo a much-missed forecaster on TWO (along with Bren and Retron)



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Solar Cycles
03 December 2014 11:17:44

Well as usual I'm looking at things from a half glass full perspective as I see the potential for snow even to lower elevations from North Wales Northwards in the disturbed PM airflow across the country. There's one thing you can say about the outlook, barring Tuesday the word mild won't be being used for quite a while.

Matty H
03 December 2014 11:21:27


 


indeed Matty and thanks for deleting by the way rather than getting myself in trouble


 


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


I didn't delete, I just moved it to the winter thread 


Gooner
03 December 2014 11:32:22

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1741.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1743.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn17417.gif


 


Plenty of wintry ppn coming and feeling very raw


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Maunder Minimum
03 December 2014 12:09:56


 


We can test the theory of some that once this pattern is in, at this time of year, it takes weeks and weeks to break out of it. 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Indeed we can! My head tells me that we are likely to be stuck in a zonal rut for weeks, but my heart hopes otherwise.


New world order coming.
Russwirral
03 December 2014 12:18:42

Snow row up to 9 for Liverpool around the 13th.... Up to 20 for Glasgow.


 


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GIBBY
03 December 2014 12:34:35

The models do look very disturbed for all next week and with colder polar maritime air in the mix we can often get some surprise snowfalls in places in this situation which is often more than we get on a raging East or NE flow when the East coast hogs all the snow. Arguably here in the West Country some of our best and unexpected snowfalls have come from the West or NW in airflows such as those progged for next week so don't be surprised if someone gets plastered next week if the charts shown today verify. My words above seem echoed in today's Met update too (only updated on App and not the met site at time of posting).


Martin G
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picturesareme
03 December 2014 12:35:47


Perhaps we wont have to wait long for blocking to return


 


https://twitter.com/matthugo81/status/540075794903859200


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


looks just how I would imagine the metoffice DJF forecast to look.

festivalking
03 December 2014 13:02:27

 


The current set up is looking a bit wintery for northern hilly areas but really for the majority of the population including plymouth cold rain is the order of the day. No snow rows here. 


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gefs/gefsens850plymouth0.png?cb=252


 


As a question are these charts set at sea level so one wonders the change in weather conditions as the height of the land increases. Wonder is the likes of Princetown (450 m/asl) would have slightly different looking charts?


 


 


Dousland, Dartmoor 206 m/asl
Its only going to snow when Gibby says so.
Gavin P
03 December 2014 13:42:29


Don't forget the dew points;


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn17410.gif


Very few places below freezing with the dew point.


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Gooner
03 December 2014 14:22:31


 


Don't forget the dew points;


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn17410.gif


Very few places below freezing with the dew point.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


wintry rather than snow ppn Gav


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


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