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Stormchaser
30 May 2017 07:55:37

 


I've been watching for signs of an adjustment toward more in the way of ridging in our vicinity as has been a tendency of recent times. This may be the models reeling back in their enthusiasm for a surge of Pacific trade winds to set in motion a boost to the Atlantic jet; the results will hopefully be less dramatic than some recent runs (GFS 18z, ECM 12z and 00z) have shown.


Yes... the ECM 00z.


 


Still a bit vicious from this model, but given that even GEM is looking less autumnal than it was, I'm inclined to feel that ECM is just being a right old *line aborted* 


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Joe Bloggs
30 May 2017 12:19:28

Not enjoying the look of the latest output at all. Looks extremely unsettled with plenty of low pressure around.


Is it the curse of recent summers where everything falls apart as we hit summer proper?


I'm going to Glastonbury towards the end of June.. after last year I'm desperately hoping for a better time of it. 



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Retron
30 May 2017 13:10:59


Not enjoying the look of the latest output at all. Looks extremely unsettled with plenty of low pressure around.


Is it the curse of recent summers where everything falls apart as we hit summer proper?


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Doubt it - early June is known as the "European Monsoon" as it more often than not involves an unsettled and cooler spell.


 


 


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Joe Bloggs
30 May 2017 17:30:52


 


Doubt it - early June is known as the "European Monsoon" as it more often than not involves an unsettled and cooler spell.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Good! Hope it's just a blip. :-) 



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bledur
30 May 2017 19:35:54

Summer is nearly here, Oh no, rain is forecast in the next 10 days . Summer is over. Roll on Winter Laugh

SJV
30 May 2017 20:48:36

Looking at the 12z's, no real surprise to see the continuation of an Atlantic themed outlook from the weekend onwards. GFS probably the pick of the bunch as the SE escapes the worst of it with high pressure never truly relinquishing here, and temperatures hanging around the 20-22C max, perhaps warmer given its tendency to underestimate maximum temperatures.


ECM looks a little more Atlantic driven but again the SE has the best of it, which is pretty expected really given the pattern. In fact, on the 8th June a small low pressure system drags up some pretty warm air off the continent to heat up the SE - probably would see 25C and thundery showers if that came off.


GEM keeps it cool and unsettled for the most part but it's low pressures are pretty feeble and so is the model 


All in all, nothing out of the ordinary for late May. Best to get to the SE if you want to keep the warmth, though 

Jiries
31 May 2017 08:10:26

Watching with interest on GFS ensembles for London as they upgraded the warmth to 10C and lot of lines going for 15-20C and one 1 going for 22C.  There will be a short lived unsettled spell early next week so need more few days runs to see this firming up for another period of warm to hot weather.

LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
31 May 2017 11:42:25

To my eye, and my recollections, the Pattern from Sunday onwards currently is backing Low Pressure and strong breezy winds occasionally windy some days but at the moment it looks like the GFS is playing a cat and mouse game chasing off any extended Low Pressure, while from 120-144 hours the East and SE UK is being shown to see showers and West SW winds and cooler even at the 144hr mark, and what we have over next 72 hours is Azores High ridge and very warm weather in East SW and SE and Central UK plus South UK with increasing amount of sunshine, and dry with it.


At the moment it needs a saying that we shall wait further UKMO and GFS plus ECMWF runs needed to show what influence and effect the next Low Pressure has on UK as the Low at 120-144 cross us and move off East NE.


The GFS is sticking to it's guns with the consistent Low vs High setup showing up later Tuesday and during the Wednesday.


But I think the Atlantic PV Low Pressure has a very good indeed chance of gripping us - with chance of heavy rain and warm mild sector strong winds and then cooler fresher with numerous scattered blustery or squally showers with hail and thunderstorms in good measure.  


But you never know come GFS, UKMO and ECMWF 12z today and tomorrow to see if which wins.  If I compare to January this year and November last year - then I say the GFS will follow the ECMWF and UKMO and back the wet and windy Low Pressure.


A repetitive pattern is in charge but it has broken up this March-May to allow some very warm and sunny Sceuro W Europe Azores High combo to also play a role that does differ from what we had from the March to early July period of last year 2016. It generally improved from mid Feb of this year as it became less cold, but the dry period for mid spring this year allowed the thundery breakdowns that we have seen from about 11-12 May this year which was followed by another 8 days when the changeable often very warm and dry weather resumed with another bout or two of heavy showers some prolonged for my area.


This years weather pattern is much nicer than compared to same times last year so actually we have a mixture of both!.


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Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Brian Gaze
31 May 2017 17:39:05

Stay on topic. Less of the histrionics, more of the analysis. 


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Joe Bloggs
31 May 2017 17:57:39

12z GFS looks just lovely! 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2401.gif


FI, but still...


 



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SJV
31 May 2017 18:17:15


12z GFS looks just lovely! 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2401.gif


FI, but still...


 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Bullseye!  Let's see what the ECM can respond with 

moomin75
31 May 2017 18:56:37


12z GFS looks just lovely! 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2401.gif


FI, but still...


 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

I commented on that and it got deleted...presumably by my tongue in cheek remark about it looking very Autumnal. ECM 12z is more traditional with a northwest/southeast split. Nowhere near as unsettled and probably quite warm. Just proves that not even next week is set in stone yet. Must say the models have swung more than ever in the last few months. Makes it very difficult to nail down any trends.


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sunnyramsgate
31 May 2017 20:31:00
There will be a nice step down before next week......pleassse
Stormchaser
31 May 2017 20:50:15

  


ECM (left) v. GEM (right) for a week today.


The latter is the last model holding out some hope and it wouldn't really count for much had it not been the first to spot the more settled outcome for last week.


If ever we needed GFS and ECM to be overdoing an uptick in jet stream strength this season, this is the time.



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Bolty
31 May 2017 21:03:55

Some pretty awful charts being churned out by the models for early June, with low pressure close to or slap bang on top of the country. If they are convective-type lows then I can manage with that, but if they are lows loaded with frontal garbage then no thanks. The hope I'm hanging onto at the moment is the fact that the models have been overestimating unsettled weather over recent months.


But in the meantime, does a chart get any worse for June?



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01 June 2017 05:56:29

Definitely Euro monsoon time -UK joining it in a week from now


http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/prec4.html


 


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Jiries
01 June 2017 06:31:12

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/panels.php?model=gem&var=1&map=1&lid=OP


I hope the outcome for GEM will come off as afte a short unsettled spell a warmer set-up come to effect for here.  Even so GFS show some unsettled weather but the ensembles runs still continue to show some hot runs so nothing is solved for next week but I think GEM will be the winner for next week as they did for last week hot spell. 

Ally Pally Snowman
01 June 2017 06:52:58

Mini plume on the ecm as well but a basically unsettled run. But there is so much heat around to our south we will be very unlucky this summer if at some point we dont get an extremely hot spell.


 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.html


 


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Jiries
01 June 2017 07:07:28


Mini plume on the ecm as well but a basically unsettled run. But there is so much heat around to our south we will be very unlucky this summer if at some point we dont get an extremely hot spell.


 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.html


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Agreed and at some point the LP to the west will die out at some point so that will allow proper heat nationwide based on Azores to Scandinavia HP movement otherwise it would be boring to see short lived warm spells in the SE if the LP kept hanging around to the west that limited the HP from taking place of whole of UK.


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

Gusty
01 June 2017 11:09:57

The June monsoon 'return of the westerlies' is not dramatic hyperbole and should be expected most years. Its very normal and part of a hemispherical pattern shift. 


Its the very reason why June (away from western Scotland) often disappoints and does not live up to its potential.


 


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Sevendust
01 June 2017 16:17:12


The June monsoon 'return of the westerlies' is not dramatic hyperbole and should be expected most years. Its very normal and part of a hemispherical pattern shift. 


Its the very reason why June (away from western Scotland) often disappoints and does not live up to its potential.


 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 

moomin75
01 June 2017 16:43:21

Quite big changes on the GFS 12z. Trending towards something a good deal more summery.


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Jiries
01 June 2017 17:07:23


Quite big changes on the GFS 12z. Trending towards something a good deal more summery.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Seem to follow the GEM chart again and I do hope the next few runs to further upgrade to bring nationwide heat than just the SE that showing in 12z runs.   That what they did before for last week they kept upgrading from SE heat to nationwide heat. 

moomin75
01 June 2017 17:11:42


 


Seem to follow the GEM chart again and I do hope the next few runs to further upgrade to bring nationwide heat than just the SE that showing in 12z runs.   That what they did before for last week they kept upgrading from SE heat to nationwide heat. 


Originally Posted by: Jiries 

At the moment it's warm and unsettled but the trend to warmth may well pep up in my view. Perhaps we are looking at a rather thundery first half of June. Just good to see the back of that dart board low and low uppers. Warm and thundery will do just fine.


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idj20
02 June 2017 10:59:26

Looks like everyone are finding the latest runs too painful to comment much about it.  

GFS does paint a rather autumnal look about things for next week, especially Monday. The other models to a lesser extent but still exactly not really that summery-looking with the Atlantic stirring from its late Spring slumber. Mild 'n' breezy sums it up, but drier the further south east you go (apart from Monday night/Tuesday morning).


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