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ballamar
31 January 2018 09:52:02
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_81_1.png 

Almost a full blow Scandinavia high
Shropshire
31 January 2018 09:53:14


Historically, more than a few heavy snowfalls have occurred in such synoptics - and without turning to rain in the SE part of the UK.


Originally Posted by: polarwind 


 


Not when the mild air is returning from the NW they haven't 


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Shropshire
31 January 2018 09:55:12

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_81_1.png

Almost a full blow Scandinavia high

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


 


The core of heights is to our West and the Scandi High is poorly orientated for anything other than brief foot in the door cold.


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David M Porter
31 January 2018 09:56:08

Well one thing appears to be fairly certain from all I can see, and that is that the outlook as currently indicated by the models, looks far from mild and considerably different to what has been commonplace in the past few winters.


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Russwirral
31 January 2018 09:57:40
Well saturday has comes as a bit of a surprise.

Sliding low, Heavy snow to majority of the spine of the country. Not just to high ground.
Solar Cycles
31 January 2018 09:59:33


 


Not sure I agree. Seeing the temperature anomaly across the entire region is useful IMO.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Indeed and besides which I’ve not much faith in those snow row charts.

fairweather
31 January 2018 10:04:13


I can't believe the mildies are trying to spin this morning's output. It's the coldest of the winter across the board.  -12c 850s into England day 6 and 7 , stayjng cold out to day 10. Snow cold easily turn up and short notice if it gets that cold.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


I believe it is the longest run (~2 weeks) of programmed cold weather in the 850 ensembles. It will be cold surely. But I suspect one or two "mildies" are compensating for some of the cold spin. For example your -12C is for individual perturbations which we have had several times this winter. Nevertheless with the mean running around -5C to -7C for much of the two weeks it wouldn't take much of a dip to get snow at short notice as you say.


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Brian Gaze
31 January 2018 10:06:32

Saturday continues to look very interesting.



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Shropshire
31 January 2018 10:07:55

Well saturday has comes as a bit of a surprise.

Sliding low, Heavy snow to majority of the spine of the country. Not just to high ground.

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


That's not the METO view and doesn't even look marginal to me.


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Rob K
31 January 2018 10:08:26
Saturday interesting and then by Sunday evening we have the -10C isotherm into the east coast. That's now T114. Interesting how the GFS suddenly woke up to this semi-easterly after dismissing it almost completely up to yesterday.
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Crepuscular Ray
31 January 2018 10:10:27


Saturday continues to look very interesting.



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I'm assuming that's the occlusion grinding to a halt Brian with cold air ahead and behind? It's marginal but fingers crossed!


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Rob K
31 January 2018 10:12:06
That pincer movement of cold from both west and east is quite unusual to see!

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?ech=144&code=0&mode=1 

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Brian Gaze
31 January 2018 10:12:58


 


I'm assuming that's the occlusion grinding to a halt Brian with cold air ahead and behind? It's marginal but fingers crossed!


Originally Posted by: Crepuscular Ray 


Yes I think so. I noticed earlier that Arpege had picked up on it. UKM forecasts often follow Arpege VERY closely so I would expect snow warnings to start going out quite soon.


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Rob K
31 January 2018 10:16:08
GFS shows the mild sector/occlusion getting stuck and squeezed from both sides directly over the UK early next week. Could be some decent snowfall in the sweet spot if that came to pass.
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Retron
31 January 2018 10:18:33

GFS shows the mild sector/occlusion getting stuck and squeezed from both sides directly over the UK early next week. Could be some decent snowfall in the sweet spot if that came to pass.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Yup - this has to be one of the most remarkable charts I've ever seen - not for sheer depth of cold, but simply because I can't recall a situation where we've had -10C from the east while simultaneously having a large wodge of -10C from the NW.... that, to me, would seem a recipe for a snowfest where the two airmasses meet!



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Rob K
31 January 2018 10:23:48
Agree Darren, which is why I find it strange people saying the output is boring. Of course it remains to be seen whether the actual weather we get turns out to be interesting, but surely even the most jaded model watcher has to admit that the *model output* is interesting?
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Gary L
31 January 2018 10:24:07


 


Yup - this has to be one of the most remarkable charts I've ever seen - not for sheer depth of cold, but simply because I can't recall a situation where we've had -10C from the east while simultaneously having a large wodge of -10C from the NW.... that, to me, would seem a recipe for a snowfest where the two airmasses meet!



Originally Posted by: Retron 


I've also been scratching my head looking at the charts, pretty rare setup that's for sure!

Rob K
31 January 2018 10:39:16


 


I've also been scratching my head looking at the charts, pretty rare setup that's for sure!


Originally Posted by: Gary L 


If you squint, you can just see the line of cold rain down the middle of the chart over Portsmouth 


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31 January 2018 10:40:21


 


Yup - this has to be one of the most remarkable charts I've ever seen - not for sheer depth of cold, but simply because I can't recall a situation where we've had -10C from the east while simultaneously having a large wodge of -10C from the NW.... that, to me, would seem a recipe for a snowfest where the two airmasses meet!



Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


One thing is for sure is that the snow fest will not occur over Kingston Upon Thames. Brian's map shows just rain albeit fairly light south of the M4


Kingston Upon Thames
Rob K
31 January 2018 10:43:59


 


 


One thing is for sure is that the snow fest will not occur over Kingston Upon Thames. Brian's map shows just rain albeit fairly light south of the M4


Originally Posted by: Sasa 


Not by that time point. Snow all the way to the south coast and beyond, right down into Brittany on the TWO chart viewer.


Even the snow depth charts show lying snow right to the south coast, within the limits of the low-resolution blockiness.



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Ally Pally Snowman
31 January 2018 10:55:46

A pretty spectacular GFS 6z all the way through to day 16. 


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tallyho_83
31 January 2018 10:55:57

We end the FI on the 06z Op run of the GFS on a very cold zonal note with cold air very close too us which could give a major snow event as the battle takes place meanwhile at least we have a dry few days between Saturday and Tuesday and some frosts to look forward to esp for the south with perhaps the odd flurry in the south east early next week, but with all the Polar vortex lows over Greenland HP will struggle to build to the north east sadly:



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Rob K
31 January 2018 10:56:20

The latter stages of the GFS are also quite fun to look at, total fantasy of course but it ends with virtually the entire British Isles (and indeed much of Europe) snow covered. A big contrast to the T0 chart which shows the dire lack of snow cover across Europe right now.



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Quantum
31 January 2018 11:00:05

A truly Icelandic chart. The point at which it doesn't even matter if the west or east wins because both are frigid.


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gavin D
31 January 2018 11:03:03
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Too early to be confident but my view is the likelihood of heavy and disruptive snowfall hitting parts of the UK during the next 7 days is quite high. Some areas *could* be in for their most wintry spell of the season.

@liamdutton

Based on what info? 🤔

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