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Tree & Snowman
03 February 2015 11:15:32

Going by the model  outlook just now and  the similar pattern since  winter started does anyone else think we will get a reload by the 3rd week in Feb?


Would like to think its saving the best till last !


Scott


Penicuik 188m ASL

Russwirral
03 February 2015 11:16:10
Im going for walk into the lakes on the weekend - so this weather is pretty perfect.

So far this winter has been a classic, and if every winter was like this i think there would be alot less stress on these forums. Weve had decent storms, decent frosts, decent snowfalls (albeit not IMBY) decent dry spells, and now - heading into a very typical Cold HP dominated week or so. This winter has so far delivered in every expectation... some may argue we need more snow, but really - this is the UK.. be sensible.

I doubt we could have wished for a better winter really. Proper classic weather.
sizzle
03 February 2015 11:24:12

there were talks of a possible reload elsewhere on the net, i think tamara / fergie over on NW may of mentioned some sort of outcome, later in the month tho remains to be seen, we can still get cold/snow in march, tho is that rare ? 

Russwirral
03 February 2015 11:27:10

So long as LP keeps developing/sustaining over the Med - we can have faith of an option of the HP moving to  Greeny HP or Scandi HP

As soon as we see Pressure flattening over Italy we can say goodbye to any blocking and hope for a reload of zonality, and be prepared for early tastes of spring.

Fingers crossed.


DaveJ
03 February 2015 11:27:28


 


 Dave,lCorsica is very mountainous with peaks over 2000m and a lot of land area over 1000m -that is refleted in the lower temperatures.


Originally Posted by: roger63 


Thanks for that - I am struggling to think in 3D!

noodle doodle
03 February 2015 11:37:50


 


That's true Martin. Having said that, I can recall one occasion in the past when the model runs and their ensembles were in seemingly good agreement wrt one particular dominating for a while, only to do a major U-turn in the space of 24 hours or so. That was during the early Feb 2009 cold spell when the model runs and ensembles had I think been in agreement on the cold lasting for a good deal of that month, only to then seemingly change their minds all of a sudden and change to a rather milder period developing instead.


Much more recently, as far as I recall, back at the start of January the majority of op and ensemble runs were indicating the strong zonality we had at that time still dominating in the middle of the month; the majority of op runs at New Year certainly looked none too clever for cold prospects. I seem to recall that at that time, quite a number of people on the model thread at the time were on the point of writing off the whole of January in terms of anything wintry turning up.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


 


I remember this was a good laff on all the forums wink -->


http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/legacy/paulhudson/2012/12/the-beast-from-the-east-is-sla.shtml


Anyways, been a decent winter, walking to work through frost, blue skies and sub-zero temps this morning, possibility of a spot of snow this afternoon. Lovely Jubbly. Rather that than a gale, p*ssing rain, grey clouds and 10C

idot
  • idot
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03 February 2015 11:39:44


Indeed Matty, cold without snow is like sex without ejaculating, let's hope these synoptics rinse and repeat throughout the summer months.


Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


 


both mean a lack of the white stuff.


Scandy 1050 MB
03 February 2015 11:44:06

By the way, slightly off topic (given the dull model output hope that's ok)  but does anyone remember Gavin P's great video last autumn about the sunspot cycles and the correlation with cold Winters? 


Going by the sun spot cycles, this year was predicted to be not a cold winter but just a little above average with some coldish spells - so far that's been pretty accurate interestingly. The next 2 or 3 winters in the cycle I seem to remember were predicted to be substantially below average.  I'm sure this will be discussed elsewhere but is this winter the half house as such before a return to a 2009 / 2010 couple of Winters? Gavin P, do you have a link to that video as would quite like to watch that one again if you do.


Anyway back on topic, GFS 06z out and as you were unfortunately and no change yet being signaled even deep into FI, that HP wants to become a UK squatter 

Saint Snow
03 February 2015 11:44:40


there were talks of a possible reload elsewhere on the net, i think tamara / fergie over on NW may of mentioned some sort of outcome, later in the month tho remains to be seen, we can still get cold/snow in march, tho is that rare ? 


Originally Posted by: sizzle 


 


The problem in March is the increasing strength of the sun and longer daylight. In March 2013, we had some seriously cold 850's and some places received decent falls of snow. But daytime temps inched up a couple degrees higher than if we'd have had the same conditions in late December or through January, and snow meltage happened far to quick, it being gone from roads within a day or two.


Whilst March snowfall is always welcome, to me it is always tinged with a 'pity it's not early January' frustration.


 


 


And I'm still waiting for that albeit rare event of a catastrophic, state of emergency-inducing, Day After Tomorrowesque snowstorm giving us widespread 50cm+ depths



Martin
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The Beast from the East
03 February 2015 11:53:16

A few GEFS are ok for day 10 onwards. Its back to straw clutching again!


 


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Gavin P
03 February 2015 12:00:23


By the way, slightly off topic (given the dull model output hope that's ok)  but does anyone remember Gavin P's great video last autumn about the sunspot cycles and the correlation with cold Winters? 


Going by the sun spot cycles, this year was predicted to be not a cold winter but just a little above average with some coldish spells - so far that's been pretty accurate interestingly. The next 2 or 3 winters in the cycle I seem to remember were predicted to be substantially below average.  I'm sure this will be discussed elsewhere but is this winter the half house as such before a return to a 2009 / 2010 couple of Winters? Gavin P, do you have a link to that video as would quite like to watch that one again if you do.


Anyway back on topic, GFS 06z out and as you were unfortunately and no change yet being signaled even deep into FI, that HP wants to become a UK squatter 


Originally Posted by: Scandy 1050 MB 


Hi Scandy. I think your referring to the correlation between SC24 and SC12? That was sent to me by James Akrill and did form part of the winter updates.


It's funny you've raised this now actually, because I'll have a new "Solar Sunday" video coming up this weekend with more on all of this.


You can see the data James sent to me Re. SC12 and SC24 in the eighth winter update here;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com/nao14-15.php


The final ten minutes of so of the video I think. 


Rural West Northants 120m asl
Short, medium and long range weather forecast videos @ https://www.youtube.com/user/GavsWeatherVids
Tree & Snowman
03 February 2015 12:08:33

Im going for walk into the lakes on the weekend - so this weather is pretty perfect.

So far this winter has been a classic, and if every winter was like this i think there would be alot less stress on these forums. Weve had decent storms, decent frosts, decent snowfalls (albeit not IMBY) decent dry spells, and now - heading into a very typical Cold HP dominated week or so. This winter has so far delivered in every expectation... some may argue we need more snow, but really - this is the UK.. be sensible.

I doubt we could have wished for a better winter really. Proper classic weather.

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


I agree ,there has been something for everyone so far!!

nsrobins
03 February 2015 12:10:12


 


I agree ,there has been something for everyone so far!!


Originally Posted by: Tree & Snowman 


I don't disagree, except that not 'everyone' lives where that 'something' is


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Foghorn
03 February 2015 13:29:30
What are the odds that this anticyclone will fill up with cloud in the north at any rate and give 2 weeks of dull cold drear without even a frost? GFS is certainly hinting that with all the frost in the southwest next week and no doubt all the sun too!
Whiteout
03 February 2015 13:29:58

EC32 update from Matt:


Interesting latest EC32 update which shows Scandinavian blocking setting up through Feb with possible continental influence temp wise.


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some faraway beach
03 February 2015 13:35:40


 


 


The problem in March is the increasing strength of the sun and longer daylight. In March 2013, we had some seriously cold 850's and some places received decent falls of snow. But daytime temps inched up a couple degrees higher than if we'd have had the same conditions in late December or through January, and snow meltage happened far to quick, it being gone from roads within a day or two.


Whilst March snowfall is always welcome, to me it is always tinged with a 'pity it's not early January' frustration.


 


 


And I'm still waiting for that albeit rare event of a catastrophic, state of emergency-inducing, Day After Tomorrowesque snowstorm giving us widespread 50cm+ depths


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Here's one such event occurring in March, except you had to be in Austria to experience it. Trying to get a flight from Vienna to Paris that day was memorable, never mind wading through the foot-plus depths of snow in the city to get transport to the airport:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/archives/archives.php?day=9&month=3&year=2004&hour=0&map=1&mode=0


Note that Vienna is way further south than England, so the sun was correspondingly stronger. But it's irrelevant if it's completely hidden above leaden, snow-laden skies. Also note that the overall set-up was a bit similar to what the models show for later in the week now, with a UK high. The 2004 one led to a cold and wintry undercut, which would be quite tasty in February:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/archives/archives.php?day=11&month=3&year=2004&hour=12&map=1&mode=0


 


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
Gavin P
03 February 2015 13:36:33

Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


High And Dry For The Foreseeable Future;



A real high pressurefest coming up.


Rural West Northants 120m asl
Short, medium and long range weather forecast videos @ https://www.youtube.com/user/GavsWeatherVids
The Beast from the East
03 February 2015 14:06:34


EC32 update from Matt:


Interesting latest EC32 update which shows Scandinavian blocking setting up through Feb with possible continental influence temp wise.


Originally Posted by: Whiteout 


LOL


How many times have we seen this from EC32 this winter.  


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Hungry Tiger
03 February 2015 14:14:24


Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


High And Dry For The Foreseeable Future;



A real high pressurefest coming up.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


The big question is - what will the position of the high pressure be.


 


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Scandy 1050 MB
03 February 2015 14:47:06


 


Hi Scandy. I think your referring to the correlation between SC24 and SC12? That was sent to me by James Akrill and did form part of the winter updates.


It's funny you've raised this now actually, because I'll have a new "Solar Sunday" video coming up this weekend with more on all of this.


You can see the data James sent to me Re. SC12 and SC24 in the eighth winter update here;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com/nao14-15.php


The final ten minutes of so of the video I think. 


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Thanks for the link Gavin, I will be tuning in on Sunday - sounds like an interesting update 

John p
03 February 2015 15:09:40


 


LOL


How many times have we seen this from EC32 this winter.  


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 


None?  Although I hope he's not misreading it again...


Camberley, Surrey
David M Porter
03 February 2015 16:01:18


 


LOL


How many times have we seen this from EC32 this winter.  


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


There's always a first time for it to be correct during this winter. At least the atlantic appears to be much quieter now than it had been for a while up until about 3 weeks ago.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
nsrobins
03 February 2015 16:10:24


 


There's always a first time for it to be correct during this winter. At least the atlantic appears to be much quieter now than it had been for a while up until about 3 weeks ago.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


It's not really - it's just all the vorticity and activity is going up and around the high, which I'm sure would migrate North if it were allowed to but it simply hits a brick wall and is staying put.
Shame as Saturday's injection of cold air into central Europe is quite impressive.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
soperman
03 February 2015 16:21:03

Precip although light looks more organised on Thursday , hence the new METO warnings I guess.


 


Should be snow here and then dry and cool/cold for a month - I think I will be ready for Spring warmth in March  

soperman
03 February 2015 16:22:28


 


It's not really - it's just all the vorticity and activity is going up and around the high, which I'm sure would migrate North if it were allowed to but it simply hits a brick wall and is staying put.
Shame as Saturday's injection of cold air into central Europe is quite impressive.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


 


The super high soon cuts it off though Neil

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