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The Beast from the East
03 February 2015 16:24:55

UKMO still has the high further west allowing the cold air to flirt with the SE


No real change on GFS. Just a question of patience and hoping the high can move north later


 


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Retron
03 February 2015 16:35:40


 


LOL


How many times have we seen this from EC32 this winter.  


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


None.


The 32-day control run shows a zonal spell setting in from 240 to 444, then high pressure surges NE'wards and a monster (>1060) Scandinavian High sets up. This then eventually retrogresses westwards, all the while with lows barrelling along close to the UK.


Leysdown, north Kent
Arbroath 1320
03 February 2015 16:52:45

It really is groundhog day as regards the model runs


Nothing remotely interesting in the GFS 12z right out to la la land with the UK High hardly budging.


GGTTH
nsrobins
03 February 2015 18:24:58


 


None.


The 32-day control run shows a zonal spell setting in from 240 to 444, then high pressure surges NE'wards and a monster (>1060) Scandinavian High sets up. This then eventually retrogresses westwards, all the while with lows barrelling along close to the UK.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Should we start seeing these charts at the far end of the ECM from about this time next week if this is the case?


Actually early March, as has been proven on recent occasions, can deliver given the right Synoptics.


 


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
The Beast from the East
03 February 2015 18:25:58

ECM more amplified with the Scandi trough digging into Europe.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2015020312/ECM1-120.GIF?03-0


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The Beast from the East
03 February 2015 18:27:30


It really is groundhog day as regards the model runs


Nothing remotely interesting in the GFS 12z right out to la la land with the UK High hardly budging.


Originally Posted by: Arbroath 1320 


the ens are more interesting with a few attempts at ridging north.


I guess we are in a holding pattern now and maybe the last bit of winter might deliver a sting in the tail


 


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RobN
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03 February 2015 18:31:22

The precision with which the cold uppers avoid the UK coastline is uncanny



Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
David M Porter
03 February 2015 18:39:08


 


Should we start seeing these charts at the far end of the ECM from about this time next week if this is the case?


Actually early March, as has been proven on recent occasions, can deliver given the right Synoptics.


 


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


IIRC, the building blocks that led to the near-record cold March in 2013 were being put in place before the end of February. I seem to recall that there was quite a strong high in place over the UK at the end of that Feb and it was that same high that had a hand in putting us into the very cold pattern that dominated March.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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The Beast from the East
03 February 2015 18:45:15

high sinks more quickly on this run so perhaps we wont get stuck in the rut for too long


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2015020312/ECH1-192.GIF?03-0


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nouska
03 February 2015 18:56:51


 


None.


The 32-day control run shows a zonal spell setting in from 240 to 444, then high pressure surges NE'wards and a monster (>1060) Scandinavian High sets up. This then eventually retrogresses westwards, all the while with lows barrelling along close to the UK.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


We can only look at it retrospectively if we don't subscribe to Weatherbell or similar. From what I can make out on the verification page, it has performed well this winter.


Screenshot of the past week and the four runs that forecast for it - good out to 18 days with weakening signal beyond.



Full archive suite here.


http://old.ecmwf.int/products/forecasts/d/charts/mofc/verification/anomaly/anom_grp/vanomaly!2m%20temperature!Europe!mofc!2!anomaly!20150126!/

Grandad
03 February 2015 19:20:56


high sinks more quickly on this run so perhaps we wont get stuck in the rut for too long


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2015020312/ECH1-192.GIF?03-0


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


This is all getting a bit confusing for me.


I have just watched the BBC (MO) national forecast at 18:30.


He stated that by thursday they were expecting a strong easterly flow coming (and he said) straight from Germany even pointing to it on his chart. He then showed charts  with the high centred just off N Ireland and a strong ridge over the north of Scotland up towards Scandinavia.


He said that cold was expected to continue and he inferred in the south it would indeed intensify which to me indicates little if any slipping of the high south.


I then watched the Midlands reginal forecast at 18:55. Now normally they are pretty much opposed to each other when change is a foot. I just assume that they are looking at different time-scale charts.


Today, however they were singing from the same hymn sheet.


Now nowhere on the model runs today that I have seen has this scenario been depicted or even hinted at (perhaps the GEM? at 12:00), so where is the BBC (MO) getting this information from?  It is not the ECM which quickly drops the high through the UK, and  the MO has a fairly benign northerly by the weekend.  The charts he used where similar to the ones being produced yesterday morning.


So where has this information come from?  


I am at a loss, surely they cannot be making it up? Surely they cannot be using yesterday's data?


Any theories?.

some faraway beach
03 February 2015 19:32:09
There's an isobar running from Schleswig-Holstein to Lyme Regis on the Thursday ECM op, Grandad:
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=48&mode=1&map=0&type=0&archive=0 
2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
Whether Idle
03 February 2015 19:33:35

There's an isobar running from Schleswig-Holstein to Lyme Regis on the Thursday ECM op, Grandad:
Originally Posted by: some faraway beach 

">http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=48&mode=1&map=0&type=0&archive=0


Its actually coming from Russia, but NOT Siberian Russia.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Russwirral
03 February 2015 21:12:50


 


This is all getting a bit confusing for me.


I have just watched the BBC (MO) national forecast at 18:30.


He stated that by thursday they were expecting a strong easterly flow coming (and he said) straight from Germany even pointing to it on his chart. He then showed charts  with the high centred just off N Ireland and a strong ridge over the north of Scotland up towards Scandinavia.


He said that cold was expected to continue and he inferred in the south it would indeed intensify which to me indicates little if any slipping of the high south.


I then watched the Midlands reginal forecast at 18:55. Now normally they are pretty much opposed to each other when change is a foot. I just assume that they are looking at different time-scale charts.


Today, however they were singing from the same hymn sheet.


Now nowhere on the model runs today that I have seen has this scenario been depicted or even hinted at (perhaps the GEM? at 12:00), so where is the BBC (MO) getting this information from?  It is not the ECM which quickly drops the high through the UK, and  the MO has a fairly benign northerly by the weekend.  The charts he used where similar to the ones being produced yesterday morning.


So where has this information come from?  


I am at a loss, surely they cannot be making it up? Surely they cannot be using yesterday's data?


Any theories?.


Originally Posted by: Grandad 


 


Im not sure what data your looking at, but the Beeb forecaast aligns perfectly with the GFS and ECMWF:


 


Southern areas are going to feel very raw, with very strong winds down the channel.


GFS:


Netweather GFS Image


ECMWF also concurs


Netweather GFS Image


Those of us north of Birmingham probably will get away with a nice day in the sunshine... not a day to be in the south or on Brighton beach.  EUGH


 


Edit: http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ the video on here aligns very well with the two charts above.  I admit this is probably a slight upgrade, and will need to be watched whether it upgrades further.  But for now we can just anticipate cold dry winds for the south alot milder further north.


Jonesy
03 February 2015 21:38:07

I can't work out what's going to happen 2 days out let alone 32 days 


A chilly NE'ly with rain & sleet would be a real kick in the crown jewels.


 


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soperman
03 February 2015 21:46:38


high sinks more quickly on this run so perhaps we wont get stuck in the rut for too long


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2015020312/ECH1-192.GIF?03-0


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 


yes, i agree. Ecm hinting at a pattern change just when there was all model agreement of a period of anticyclonic gloom or sun depending where you live. 

White Meadows
03 February 2015 21:47:10
Looks like the next few days could be 'it' until next winter.
Unless the Ec32 dayer comes to something.
I'm very wary of these though as they've constantly changed, flipped about and not verified well in recent winters.
BJBlake
03 February 2015 22:38:30

Yep! winter is over


 


IMBY - we missed out on todays snow: Just up the road had 4cm! Even in London they had snow!


 


Hell - bring back the 80s!


 


 


Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
peeps in west oxon
03 February 2015 22:56:32
Quiet in here tonight!
West Oxfordshire, 80M ASL
nsrobins
03 February 2015 23:01:07

Quiet in here tonight!

Originally Posted by: peeps in west oxon 


I was just thinking the same thing. Might have something to do with the GFS looking like a blowtorch at +264 


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
peeps in west oxon
03 February 2015 23:04:14

Yes very probably!😄 although it's a long way off.....


West Oxfordshire, 80M ASL
nsrobins
03 February 2015 23:09:57


Yes very probably!😄 although it's a long way off.....


Originally Posted by: peeps in west oxon 


Indeed, but there isn't much else to discuss.
I'll get the beers, you order the curry and let's discuss modern winters until Babestation comes on


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Russwirral
03 February 2015 23:10:54
I think people forget that s slight adjustment in a HP can result in very different conditions. Whats clear is weve gone from a LP dominated to a HP dominated. Where it ends up is yet to be seen.

We should be talking about the small adjustments rather than sweeping changes.

Though currently the outlook is one of slowly rising temps.
Roonie
03 February 2015 23:13:48


 


Indeed, but there isn't much else to discuss.
I'll get the beers, you order the curry and let's discuss modern winters until Babestation comes on


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Can I have Chinese..  ??  


 


Still Lurking.......

North Worcestershire
SEMerc
03 February 2015 23:29:57


 


Can I have Chinese..  ??  


 


Originally Posted by: Roonie 


You'll find that on Red Hot X or Brazzers Europe.

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