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bledur
20 June 2017 10:00:44

Well i am off baling hay as i ignored the forecast of thundery rain for Tuesday although i dont think the forecast 5 days out was that innaccurate other than the rain over Biscay head more towards the N.W rather than S.W on Wednesday and the final outcome come Friday will be a cold front lowering the temps and bringing in a showery westerly pattern which is what they said only maybe 24-36 hrs later.

moomin75
20 June 2017 11:09:55

I fear and hope I am wrong that the consistency of the GFS lately suggests that a protracted unsettled and yes, quite cool period will soon be upon us. The GFS has this low influencing our weather for much of the next 2 weeks once it sets in. You certainly wouldn't bet again it. 15c and rain in late June-early July will soon take the gloss off this current hot spell.


Witney, Oxfordshire
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Ally Pally Snowman
20 June 2017 16:37:58

You have to laugh at the output at the moment it's all over the place. Ukmo now has high pressure building in day 6. And only unsettled for the North.


 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.html


 


GFS still goes full blown crapfest though.


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
moomin75
20 June 2017 16:59:05


You have to laugh at the output at the moment it's all over the place. Ukmo now has high pressure building in day 6. And only unsettled for the North.


 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.html


 


GFS still goes full blown crapfest though.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Well the only model that has shown any consistency in the last 2 or 3 days is GFS so one has to side with that at the moment. The other models are, as you say, all over the place. I'd be inclined to go with the model that is showing consistency and YES has shown a changeable spell ahead for several days now.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Solar Cycles
20 June 2017 17:23:19


Well the only model that has shown any consistency in the last 2 or 3 days is GFS so one has to side with that at the moment. The other models are, as you say, all over the place. I'd be inclined to go with the model that is showing consistency and YES has shown a changeable spell ahead for several days now.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 

The much lambasted GFS was head and shoulders above the Euos last winter IMO, whatever inputs it's had it seems to cope much better at homing in on patterns for this part of the world than it previously could muster. Looking at the models overall I'd say a return to less settled, cooler conditions are the form horse for most of the UK.

sunnyramsgate
20 June 2017 18:29:55
The way things have panned out in the last few weeks I would imagine any cooler weather will be short lived....(my opinion)
Solar Cycles
20 June 2017 19:05:47

The way things have panned out in the last few weeks I would imagine any cooler weather will be short lived....(my opinion)

Originally Posted by: sunnyramsgate 

Could well be with the heat never that far away from our shores.

Sevendust
20 June 2017 19:15:12


Could well be with the heat never that far away from our shores.


Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


Quite possibly


Models really struggle at this time of year anyway, much more than in winter so getting a pattern established beyond a few days is even more futile than normal

Quantum
20 June 2017 21:47:13

Truly a battle of the models tomorrow. Maximun temperature (by model)


AROME: 36C


ARPEGE: 36C


CPTEC BAM: 36C


ICON: 33C


NMMB: 33C


EURO4: 32C


NMM: 32C


GEM: 32C


NAVGEM: 32C


CMA: 31C


ARW: 31C


GFSP: 31C


NASA GEO5: 31C


FIM: 31C


NCMRWF: 30C


GFS: 29C


HIRLAM: 29C


CFS: 24C


 


 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
20 June 2017 22:19:08

You can add a couple of others to that list (although they only cover the far east of England from central London eastward)


HARMONIE 2.5km: 34C (Gravesend area)


ALARO 4km: 33C (Central London)


The GFSP (new GFS operational from mid July) has 31C so slightly higher than the current GFS op run

Quantum
20 June 2017 22:25:26


You can add a couple of others to that list (although they only cover the far east of England from central London eastward)


HARMONIE 2.5km: 34C (Gravesend area)


ALARO 4km: 33C (Central London)


The GFSP (new GFS operational from mid July) has 31C so slightly higher than the current GFS op run


Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


I reckon the metoffice has it about right with 34C. The vast majority of the models tend to significantly underestimate the max temp. However ARPEGE's 36C in the Bristol area seems quite ridiculous to me and is probably a miscalibration. The AROME's 36C in Heathrow airport does, at least, seem possible but it probably has overdone it by at least a degree. Still 35C could definitely be on the cards at heathrow imo.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
moomin75
20 June 2017 22:26:37

Back to the medium term, GFS has removed the storm from the 18z and is more like UKMO 12z now, changeable but still warm away from Scotland. No washout and no return to Autumn from the 18z.


But then becoming unsettled with a low slap bang over us for a long period. No sign of another heatwave for a considerable time. This could and in fact is quite likely to be our hottest spell this summer.


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
20 June 2017 22:40:06

It is looking more and more possible as we close in on 27th to 29th June as we see that NW Atlantic SW off Greenland New Brunswick NF Low shown at Monday 26th June at UKMO T144, with GFS and ECMWF models showing the same system.


Norway Scotland and Scandinavia Finland NE Far N NW Europe away from Southern UK and France where it will remain fine settled and warm- but not the fore mentioned parts where cool and windy breezy and wet weather is shown to develop and swiftly move east NE from Iceland as it arrive in NW N UK by Friday 23 June 2017.


So the Southern and SE UK will have more dry and warm to very warm conditions from Thursday lasting up to early on on Tuesday 27th.  Then from that time on 12z Tuesday 27th Deep North Atlantic to UK and West SW Norwegian Sea NW North Sea will be influenced by some spells of windy and rainy weather with a cooler spell expected to affect many of us.  Those in the SW West Central and NW UK and N UK and much of Ireland should receive plenty of heavy rain in particular, while to the South and East of this area there should be some rain showers and a few longer aoutbreqks of rain here as well!!.


Yeah for keeping dry it could be those in the East and SE side will have to wait until the 28th June (Wednesday) to receive more prolonged rain outbreaks and followed by blustery showers.β›ˆβ˜”οΈπŸ’¨πŸŒ«.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge.Β 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
moomin75
21 June 2017 06:54:35
Well next week's unsettled spell is starting to look nailed on now with GFS again showing a particularly disturbed pattern which lasts virtually the whole run once it sets In. Looks likely we are going to pay for this hot spell with a rather prolonged (possibly 2 week) unsettled and eventually cooler spell. Not the end of summer in my view bit certainly this time next week the heatwave will be a distant memory.
Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Matty H
21 June 2017 06:57:59

Well next week's unsettled spell is starting to look nailed on now with GFS again showing a particularly disturbed pattern which lasts virtually the whole run once it sets In. Looks likely we are going to pay for this hot spell with a rather prolonged (possibly 2 week) unsettled and eventually cooler spell. Not the end of summer in my view bit certainly this time next week the heatwave will be a distant memory.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Your constant flip-flopping with the models is almost as daft as one or...... no, just one other poster. And to say this will almost certainly be the hottest spell of the summer when it's mid June and we have so much heat to the south of us is stupid


Next week currently looking more unsettled, but still mainly dry here and warm too. Mind you, this last week to ten days looked unsettled at one stage too 


moomin75
21 June 2017 07:05:35


 


Your constant flip-flopping with the models is almost as daft as one or...... no, just one other poster. And to say this will almost certainly be the hottest spell of the summer when it's mid June and we have so much heat to the south of us is stupid


Next week currently looking more unsettled, but still mainly dry here and warm too. Mind you, this last week to ten days looked unsettled at one stage too 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Matt I'm merely commenting on what the models show in the model thread. You can't deny they are all looking unsettled. I'm flip flopping with the models, if they change I will comment on that, but at present they are trending towards quite a lengthy unsettled spell. That is all. 😊


I agree with heat to the south we could easily tap into it again but there's no sign of that in the next week or so. And it definitely isn't looking mainly dry from next week.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Brian Gaze
21 June 2017 07:10:07

GEFS00z runs are all (more or less) clustered out to 16 days so confidence in the changeable outlook is high. However what that means "in the real world" is less clear. The south could easily end up with quite a lot of dry and warmish weather IME. 



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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
21 June 2017 07:20:04

The GFS and ECMWF are shown increasing possible Developing Low Pressure with trof's within and around it, at 120-144-168-192hrs.  It looks like the UKMO develops it a bit into 1010-1015 Low with trof's that could form in it, but it looks less of a system than what the GFS and ECMWF models develop it into, as it could bring on a deep UK Low that could bring more and more rain and blustery showers some with possible thunderstorms and hail and cumulonimbus clouds etc, with some rainy outbreaks possible.


More watching this pattern evolve or instead it may in future runs be downgraded, to let other weather types take the space- next few days Model predictions need watching.


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Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge.Β 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Gavin D
21 June 2017 08:42:56

It could still be a record breaker today with 36c in the Bristol area


picturesareme
21 June 2017 09:57:37
Not sure what effect other then keeping the nights warm the local sea water temps will have going foreword.

Down here on the Solent a couple of local surf stations have local in-water temps around 19-20C mark now, and have been for a few days.

speckledjim
21 June 2017 10:12:25


Matt I'm merely commenting on what the models show in the model thread. You can't deny they are all looking unsettled. I'm flip flopping with the models, if they change I will comment on that, but at present they are trending towards quite a lengthy unsettled spell. That is all. 😊


I agree with heat to the south we could easily tap into it again but there's no sign of that in the next week or so. And it definitely isn't looking mainly dry from next week.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


If you're commenting on what the models show why come out with this idiotic nugget


"This could and in fact is quite likely to be our hottest spell this summer".


Which models are showing no further hot spells throughout the rest of the summer? 


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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TimS
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21 June 2017 11:21:36
What I'm looking for now is the reset. I think some form of trough next week is almost inevitable, so the question is what will the next pattern change look like, and how long will this forecast unsettled spell last.


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Matty H
21 June 2017 11:42:00


Matt I'm merely commenting on what the models show in the model thread. You can't deny they are all looking unsettled. I'm flip flopping with the models, if they change I will comment on that, but at present they are trending towards quite a lengthy unsettled spell. That is all. 😊


I agree with heat to the south we could easily tap into it again but there's no sign of that in the next week or so. And it definitely isn't looking mainly dry from next week.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Sorry, which model was showing this was likely to be the hottest spell of the summer?


picturesareme
21 June 2017 11:48:14


 


Sorry, which model was showing this was likely to be the hottest spell of the summer?


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


i think it might have been that new one the mmcw75 - experimental British one πŸ˜πŸ˜†

moomin75
21 June 2017 11:53:47


 


Sorry, which model was showing this was likely to be the hottest spell of the summer?


Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Common sense model Matty πŸ˜‰ this is "almost as hot as it gets in the UK" so common sense suggests it's unlikely to be bettered this year (although not impossible I grant you). A virtual 🍺🍺 says this will be the peak of the heat this summer.


Back to the models the UKMO still provides hope that I won't be needing my Ark next week, as it's nowhere as unsettled as the GFS. Time, as ever, will tell.


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