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White Meadows
07 August 2018 20:53:58


 


Surely that is after the “breakdown” and is the “rebuild”. Unless the suggestion was the breakdown was a permanent one?


Originally Posted by: doctormog 

In answer to your question, yes I’m afraid it was by a few members plus the uncharacteristicly bold & unbalanced statements from John Hammond. 


Now that looks very unlikely. 

Sevendust
07 August 2018 21:11:06
How did that happen? Was making a reply and it said I was not allowed?
Brian Gaze
07 August 2018 21:30:19

How did that happen? Was making a reply and it said I was not allowed?

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Possibly because I was removing a lot of OT posts.


 


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Rob K
07 August 2018 22:00:50


 


lol. The weekend looking up! Warm and dry is the form horse in the epic summer of 2018!


Originally Posted by: Downpour 


ECM looks pretty dreadful by day 9 though. 


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Retron
08 August 2018 04:29:24

Lots of excitement last night I see over a rather warm Sunday as a ridge strikes a glancing blow, but strangely little acknowledgement that the ensembles continue to show what they have done for days on end now - average to rather warm, a sub-10% chance of hot conditions.

I'm still impressed at how well the models handled the end of the heatwave, they picked it up and stuck with it.

(Bear in mind for mid-August, for London and assuming a 23C mean temperature, 22-24 would be average, 25-26 would be rather warm, 27-28 would be warm and 29+ would be hot.)


The EPS are typical:


https://weather.us/forecast/2643743-london/ensemble/euro/temperature


Note that Sunday's temperatures were in the top 90% of the members and beyond that the mean has fallen by half a degree or so since the morning run.


I would expect this morning's ensembles to continue to show little change.


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bledur
08 August 2018 04:50:08

Warmer  in S.E. sunday ahead of the rain, but i cant see anything hot.


Rain later for the south?Average temps midweek?And a bit more rain


Looks a bit more mixed than previous weeks

Brian Gaze
08 August 2018 05:23:53


Warmer  in S.E. sunday ahead of the rain, but i cant see anything hot.


Originally Posted by: bledur 


Still looks like 30C is possible.



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Retron
08 August 2018 05:39:00


 


Still looks like 30C is possible.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


A meteorite crashing through my roof is possible too.


GFS has really gone off on one there. UKV has 23s and 24s as highs over East Anglia:


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/map#?map=ScreenTemperature&zoom=9&lon=1.01&lat=52.74&fcTime=1534046400


and last night's ECM has nothing above 27C there out of its 52 members:


https://weather.us/forecast/2641181-norwich/ensemble/euro


EDIT: Looks like GFS is generating a bit of a foehn effect there. The dewpoints plummet at the same time, only to rise again later:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/royaume-uni/point-de-rosee/108h.htm


 


 


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Brian Gaze
08 August 2018 06:07:06


 


A meteorite crashing through my roof is possible too.


GFS has really gone off on one there. UKV has 23s and 24s as highs over East Anglia:


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Not saying it will happen but it is the fourth GFS op run on the bounce to show the possibility (if the raw data is undershooting by a couple of C as is often the case) of 30C this Sunday.


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/static/20180808070456923_18_120_uk2mtmp.png


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/static/20180808070510818_12_123_uk2mtmp.png


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/static/20180808070523350_06_129_uk2mtmp.png


 


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
08 August 2018 07:48:34

Output all over the show again this morning. ECM is a warm run with some hot air by day 8. 850s of 13c by day 7 then 15c days 8 to 10. 


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08 August 2018 08:05:47


 


A meteorite crashing through my roof is possible too.


GFS has really gone off on one there. UKV has 23s and 24s as highs over East Anglia:


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/map#?map=ScreenTemperature&zoom=9&lon=1.01&lat=52.74&fcTime=1534046400


and last night's ECM has nothing above 27C there out of its 52 members:


https://weather.us/forecast/2641181-norwich/ensemble/euro


EDIT: Looks like GFS is generating a bit of a foehn effect there. The dewpoints plummet at the same time, only to rise again later:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/royaume-uni/point-de-rosee/108h.htm


 


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


I agree it’s unlikely 30c will be reached in the SE, probably 25/26c is more likely. However if certain model runs are showing it then surely it’s  something to keep an eye on? 


As it happens, the ECM looks very warm again later next week, however more unstable than what we’ve been used to so would be quite thundery in places. 


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soperman
08 August 2018 08:25:20

I'm not normally one to trash the charts but the GFS this  morning from 180 onwards gives dry day, wet day, dry day, wet day continuously.


It may be on to something though so worth watching if you like your late summer wet and windy.


I'm hoping ECM has it right 

briggsy6
08 August 2018 09:10:57

Isn't that just typical UK summer weather though? What we've had since April is atypical.


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soperman
08 August 2018 09:51:14


Isn't that just typical UK summer weather though? What we've had since April is atypical.


Originally Posted by: briggsy6 


 


I'm surprised you made that statement living in Uxbridge?  


Here in the Chilts we get pretty good summers and very wet ones are atypical here.


2018 is notable.

Brian Gaze
08 August 2018 10:31:02

GFS 6z raw data almost goes full fat on Sunday. Five op runs in a row suggesting 30C is possible.



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doctormog
08 August 2018 10:34:37
That is a good seven °C higher than what the ECM shows for the same time. A statistician would suggest the reality will be something in between BUT we all know it doesn’t always work that way in weatherworld.
bledur
08 August 2018 11:19:32


GFS 6z raw data almost goes full fat on Sunday. Five op runs in a row suggesting 30C is possible.



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

This is nearer the mark. ties in with most forecasts.


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Retron
08 August 2018 11:19:51

That is a good seven °C higher than what the ECM shows for the same time. A statistician would suggest the reality will be something in between BUT we all know it doesn’t always work that way in weatherworld.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


We may get an answer of sorts this afternoon. GFS has 24C at Norwich at 1 PM and 25C at 4 PM. The noon temperature was 21C.


That said, the wind is SW rather than southerly as modelled on Sunday.


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soperman
08 August 2018 11:33:47


 


We may get an answer of sorts this afternoon. GFS has 24C at Norwich at 1 PM and 25C at 4 PM. The noon temperature was 21C.


That said, the wind is SW rather than southerly as modelled on Sunday.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


Problem is GFS is all over the place.


The differences between 0z  (Autumn) and 6z (Summer) output were startling to say the least!


Happy days


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Retron
08 August 2018 16:41:22

Bam goes the GFS' hot Sunday - more in line with the other models now.



EDIT: Heat-hounds needn't despair, though, it does go off on one on day 8.


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The Beast from the East
08 August 2018 16:44:12

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=192&mode=0


Heating up next week again though, probably not too hot 


 


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Brian Gaze
08 August 2018 17:30:23

GFS 12z drops the sneaky blast of heat this Sunday for something wetter and cooler. Not much in it though and it could easily adjust back.


 



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Retron
08 August 2018 17:35:19


GFS 12z drops the sneaky blast of heat this Sunday for something wetter and cooler. Not much in it though and it could easily adjust back.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Bet it doesn't - GFS was always out on its own with the hot conditions on Sunday and it's now in line with the other models. As per the Met Office, Saturday into Sunday is actually quite interesting in that the warmth from ex-Debby gets dragged into the low to our west. I reckon it's this which flummoxed GFS - it dried out that warm, humid air and in doing so turned it into hot, dry air (remember I mentioned the dewpoints dropping markedly with GFS in the earlier run? That'd be why.)


I suspect the GFS modelling of the interaction of that tropical air with the UK was off and now it's creeping closer to T+0 it's getting a better grip on things.


That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see temperatures in the mid-20s in the east and perhaps SE on Sunday, but I really doubt we'll see 29 or 30.


 


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xioni2
08 August 2018 18:50:43


 Bet it doesn't - GFS was always out on its own with the hot conditions on Sunday and it's now in line with the other models. 


 

Originally Posted by: Retron 


Not saying it will happen necessarily, but EC 12z op supports high 20s on Sun, Wed, Thu and Fri (it has max raw grid values of 26-27C on these 4 days).


Edit: Sat too, so 5 days in total. 


Just one run of course, but I guess it'd be part II of payback August!


 

xioni2
08 August 2018 19:27:58

Not saying it will happen necessarily, but EC 12z op supports high 20s on Sun, Wed, Thu and Fri (it has max raw grid values of 26-27C on these 4 days).


Edit: Sat too, so 5 days in total. 


Just one run of course, but I guess it'd be part II of payback August!

Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Hot outlier on the ensemble though.

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