Remove ads from site

Chunky Pea
14 January 2019 15:34:59


Edit: and 1963 round here was also crap for snow.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Ditto here, but 1947, that was a different story. Snow drifts so high that only chimneys were visible. 1917 was another biggie. Over a metre of snow fell over much of the west of Ireland.. in April!


Different times. Events on this scale are difficult comprehended in our softer times. 


Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


"You don't have to know anything to have an opinion"
--Roger P, 12/Oct/2022
David M Porter
14 January 2019 16:07:36


 


 


 


We reached 2cm on one fall last winter, but it melted by the following day. We got a couple of dustings as well as that.


Were you not around for March 2006?


One of my best mates was living in Dunblane at the time and he couldn't believe it - around 45cm level snow, with deeper drifts. Two other friends of ours had taken their touring caravan to Windemere - scoffing at my warnings of snow. They opened the door on that Sunday morning, the dog (a Scotty) jumped out... and promptly disappeared into the snow that was level with the bottom of the caravan door (almost 2'). They had to dig-out their Rav4 and leave the caravan at the small site until they could collect it the week after. We were desperately unlucky as the front stalled a mere 20 or so miles west of us, so the snow we got was very light and only gave around 5cm. 


 


Edit: and 1963 round here was also crap for snow; I'm told about 2/3 inches fell on the Boxing Day, then it was bone dry until the thaw in March. I also remember 1987 being rubbish here - one brief snow shower (10mins?) in the entire spell. We've had some great snowfalls - but usually not at the times other people experience them!!


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Yeah, we had a pretty big snowfall here just before mid-March 2006 which came towards the end of a month-long cold spell at the back end of the 05/06 winter. In fact, that was the biggest amount of snow I had seen here in any March prior to the events of the end of February last year. In places, there were still fairly large piles of snow lying around a week or so later even after the rest of it had largely melted.


March 1995 is another March which I remember as having quite a lot of snow here at times, although it was mostly from cold NW zonality rather than from the east IIRC. My abiding memory of that March was being sent home from school late in the morning of 1st March after quite a heavy overnight fall of snow here. Happy days!


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Tim A
14 January 2019 16:20:43

Latest GFS shows a period of snow here Friday before temps rise.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPUK12_96_53.png


I think it is being far two progressive given the  other models. MOGREPS via Met office automated shows frosty and cold here from Friday to Sunday.


Tim
NW Leeds
187m asl

 My PWS 
Saint Snow
14 January 2019 16:23:07

The 6z GEFS have another slight fall in the Liverpool Snow Row totals, down from 116 to 114 (the high point over the weekend was [I think] 136)


In fact, JFF, here's the British Isles league table. Inverness once again, and as expected, absolutely smashes it:


 


278 - Inveness


167 - Newcastle


160 - Edinburgh


149 - Glasgow


137 - Aberdeen 


128 - Belfast


114 - Liverpool


107 - Norwich


103 - Sheffield


94 - Dublin


92 - Birmingham


82 - London


63 - Cardiff


58 - Brighton


36 - Plymouth


 


 



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
moomin75
14 January 2019 16:30:59
It's starting to look like game over for any prolonged cold spell coming up. Next stop February.
Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
JACKO4EVER
14 January 2019 16:37:02

It's starting to look like game over for any prolonged cold spell coming up. Next stop February.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


well if that’s the case Moomin then the inability for the British climate to deliver a true mid winter cold spell is completely staggering. 

noodle doodle
14 January 2019 16:37:11


 


Ditto here, but 1947, that was a different story. Snow drifts so high that only chimneys were visible. 1917 was another biggie. Over a metre of snow fell over much of the west of Ireland.. in April!


Different times. Events on this scale are difficult comprehended in our softer times. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


 


Does no-one remember March 2013 - was going to the lake district for our 'easter' holiday. Drifts on the A66, powdered snow blowing across the road, 15 miles away cars were submerged in it...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-21910079

kmoorman
14 January 2019 16:38:32

It's starting to look like game over for any prolonged cold spell coming up. Next stop February.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Based upon? 


Home: Durrington, Worthing, West Sussex. (16 ASL)
Work: Canary Wharf, London
Follow me on Twitter @kmoorman1968
idj20
14 January 2019 16:44:40

The GFS seems to keep coming back to a Jan 1953-type set up for around the 23rd/24th. While it is still a long way off in forecasting terms and thus subject to change, those living along the East Coast has every right to be concerned.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Saint Snow
14 January 2019 16:46:24


 


Based upon? 


Originally Posted by: kmoorman 


 


Moomin's genetic make-up; he's been spliced with Chicken Licken


 


 



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
doctormog
14 January 2019 16:54:00

NIce to see a bit of melodrama, I’ve missed it. 


Meanwhile the trend is fine on the 12z output so far. Thursday looks fun with a high chance of snow showers up here http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSPARAEU12_63_1.png 


As the next system moves in in Friday or Saturday I would nit be surprised to see some snow in other locations further south (not here).


jhall
14 January 2019 16:59:26

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/new.nao_index_ensm.html

2 members going for a fairly negative NAO

The remaining nine on a neutral to slight negative by end of Jan


Originally Posted by: marco 79 


Hopefully that's a signal that by then that persistent Azores High will at last have gone or at least have substantially weakened..


Cranleigh, Surrey
jhall
14 January 2019 17:05:00

Has anyone else noticed that there always seems to be a hiatus in the GFSP charts coming out - at least on Wetterzentrale - after T+81? It's very odd that it should always occur at the same point.


Cranleigh, Surrey
moomin75
14 January 2019 17:07:37

It's starting to look like game over for any prolonged cold spell coming up. Next stop February.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Let me rephrase. It's starting to look like February will be the month that brings a real prolonged cold spell. Until then, diving lows and cold zonality appears to be on the cards. That will bring plenty of snow to the usual spots, but those further south may have to continue to be patient before the real cold arrives.


I honestly thought January would lock into the freezer nationwide, but this is clearly being pushed back.


I still think we will get something very memorable, but as ever, patience is key.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
David M Porter
14 January 2019 17:08:47

It's starting to look like game over for any prolonged cold spell coming up. Next stop February.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Deep FI I know, but this GFS 12Z chart for 28th January might lift your spirits a wee bit, Kieren.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=1&run=12&time=336&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=3#mapref


 


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
DPower
14 January 2019 17:10:13
Well it looks like strat downwelling back on the menue according to the gfs 12z op. This does tie in with time line of downwelling to trop 22nd onwards. Of course synoptics will change but after so many false dawns maybe the mist is clearing and we will see a consistency in the runs towards SSW high latitude blocking and much colder solutions.
My money's still on for east/ north easterly 25th onwards.
doctormog
14 January 2019 17:10:47


Has anyone else noticed that there always seems to be a hiatus in the GFSP charts coming out - at least on Wetterzentrale - after T+81? It's very odd that it should always occur at the same point.


Originally Posted by: jhall 


Yes, I have noticed that. I think there is one at around 210hr as well, although I’m not sure why in either case.


Rob K
14 January 2019 17:14:05

It's starting to look like game over for any prolonged cold spell coming up. Next stop February.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


I thought you were telling us all that you were very confident of a cold spell in January? I wouldn't let notoriously inaccurate long range models dent my optimism.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Arcus
14 January 2019 17:14:46


 


Yes, I have noticed that. I think there is one at around 210hr as well, although I’m not sure why in either case.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


It also has the rather unnerving trait of slipping in a frame from a run 24 hours ago as well (at least on WZ).


Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
David M Porter
14 January 2019 17:14:46


 


Let me rephrase. It's starting to look like February will be the month that brings a real prolonged cold spell. Until then, diving lows and cold zonality appears to be on the cards. That will bring plenty of snow to the usual spots, but those further south may have to continue to be patient before the real cold arrives.


I honestly thought January would lock into the freezer nationwide, but this is clearly being pushed back.


I still think we will get something very memorable, but as ever, patience is key.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Given that the most notable cold spell of last winter came right at the end of the meteorogical winter season and the start of spring, even if any notable & sustained cold spell doesn't come until say the first or second week of February, it would still be 3-4 weeks earlier than was the case last year.


As for what is being suggested for later in January, it is IMO pretty similar to the NW-SE pattern that we had for much of last winter until the latter part of February. That pattern did give my area a good  five or six consecutive days of heavy snow showers just after mid-January last year, thererby giving us our greatest amount of snow of the winter prior to the arrival of the Beast at the end of last Feb. Next week is starting to look potentially very interesting, at least for northern areas.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Chunky Pea
14 January 2019 17:19:28


I honestly thought January would lock into the freezer nationwide, but this is clearly being pushed back.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Maybe it is just my imagination, but deep frozen spells seem to be curiously lacking in January over the last decade or so. Nearly all of the deep cold events I can recall at least seem to have occurred in either December, February or as in the case in 2013 and 2018, March. I can't remember a similar event in January though, at least in recent times.


Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


"You don't have to know anything to have an opinion"
--Roger P, 12/Oct/2022
DPower
14 January 2019 17:20:06


 


Let me rephrase. It's starting to look like February will be the month that brings a real prolonged cold spell. Until then, diving lows and cold zonality appears to be on the cards. That will bring plenty of snow to the usual spots, but those further south may have to continue to be patient before the real cold arrives.


I honestly thought January would lock into the freezer nationwide, but this is clearly being pushed back.


I still think we will get something very memorable, but as ever, patience is key.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


As the upper atmospheric winds gradually turn from west to east lows on a more nw/se track would be par for the course.

tallyho_83
14 January 2019 17:23:38


 


Deep FI I know, but this GFS 12Z chart for 28th January might lift your spirits a wee bit, Kieren.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=1&run=12&time=336&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=3#mapref


 


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Big differences between the Op  06z run and 12z run at the end of the run of course).


 



 



 


Home Location - Kellands Lane, Okehampton, Devon (200m ASL)
---------------------------------------
Sean Moon
Magical Moon
www.magical-moon.com


Arcus
14 January 2019 17:32:21
Very cold Para from GFS. Uncertainty, as ever, rules.
Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Ally Pally Snowman
14 January 2019 17:35:54

Very cold Para from GFS. Uncertainty, as ever, rules.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


 


Wow it really does go for it early massive upgrade. 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.

Remove ads from site

Ads