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speckledjim
14 March 2020 15:15:50

What are the Italy daily numbers looking like now? Is the rate of increase still going up?

Originally Posted by: Tractor Boy 


The last 3 days in Italy the figures are (earliest first) 23%, 21%, 17%. We won’t have today’s figures until later.


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Polar Low
14 March 2020 15:15:53

Maybe some good news soon


A group of Dutch scientists believe they’ve found an antibody that could help to detect and prevent the coronavirus from being able to infect people.


It hasn’t been tested on humans - a process that will take months.


The researchers at the Erasmus Medical Centre and Utrecht University describe their discovery as an antibody to Sars2, the coronavirus causing the current pandemic (Covid-19).


The scientists were already working on an antibody for Sars1 and when the new coronavirus broke out, they said they had found that the same antibodies cross-reacted and blocked the infection.


Their findings are still being reviewed and the antibody is yet to be rigorously tested.


The researchers are hoping to convince a pharmaceutical company to support its mass production as a medicine which they believe would detect and prevent the spread of the virus.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51886497

xioni2
14 March 2020 15:19:37


Yes, having been undecided I’m with you. 


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


 


I am not confident at all Justin, but instinctively I don't like it. Let's hope our approach proves to be pioneering. 

Caz
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14 March 2020 15:28:21


The more I read about our approach, the less confident I get about it. We are essentially trying to achieve herd immunity and at the same time correctly time the social distancing measures. At the same time we're not testing all suspect cases. 


This can get out of control quickly. 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 

It already is out of control and I believe it has been from the start.  All we can do is try to lessen the impact.  


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Brian Gaze
14 March 2020 15:28:36


Maybe some good news soon


A group of Dutch scientists believe they’ve found an antibody that could help to detect and prevent the coronavirus from being able to infect people.


It hasn’t been tested on humans - a process that will take months.


The researchers at the Erasmus Medical Centre and Utrecht University describe their discovery as an antibody to Sars2, the coronavirus causing the current pandemic (Covid-19).


The scientists were already working on an antibody for Sars1 and when the new coronavirus broke out, they said they had found that the same antibodies cross-reacted and blocked the infection.


Their findings are still being reviewed and the antibody is yet to be rigorously tested.


The researchers are hoping to convince a pharmaceutical company to support its mass production as a medicine which they believe would detect and prevent the spread of the virus.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51886497


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Stuff the bloody Dutch. We've got the high tech herd immunity strategy. It's the way of the future. 


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Polar Low
14 March 2020 15:31:13

only in what we call net gain and not percentage points gain in real terms it lays about tenth in history.


 




Not to worry. The US stock market had its biggest rise in history yesterday. 


 




Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

Chunky Pea
14 March 2020 15:31:22

Latest global count: 150597


Confirmed deaths: 5620 (3.37%)


Confirmed recoveries: 73753 (48.9%) 


 


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RobN
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14 March 2020 15:31:26


I think the rationale behind it is if you have mild symptoms you can manage at home and NHS services can concentrate on more severe cases.  Short of testing every single person in the UK, there is absolutely no way of knowing how many cases there are.


Originally Posted by: Caz 


I wasn't suggesting testing anyone who reports - but merely recording how many people are showing likely symptoms. If you don't know even that, how can you devise an effective policy?  The number of confirmed cases is now a meaningless statistic.


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xioni2
14 March 2020 15:34:14


It already is out of control and I believe it has been from the start.  All we can do is try to lessen the impact.  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


I don't mean the virus itself, I mean the number of deaths.

Brian Gaze
14 March 2020 15:36:13

The rebellion is growing. One wonders whether Whitty and Vallance will soon have to be scapegoated. 


Hundreds of members of the scientific community have sent two open letters to the British government, voicing their concerns about the response to the coronavirus outbreak.


One comes from 198 academics in the field of maths and science, calling for urgent measures of social distancing across the UK.


It says: “Going for ‘herd immunity’ at this point does not seem a viable option, as this will put NHS at an even stronger level of stress, risking many more lives than necessary.”


Another letter has been signed by 164 behavioural scientists. It raises concerns about the idea of “behavioural fatigue” – the idea that if the public are instructed to take preventative measures too early, they’ll eventually revert back to prior behaviour.


The letter suggests that this has been a cornerstone of British government policy on coronavirus and sheds doubt on the evidence behind this.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-live-updates-uk-us-australia-italy-europe-school-shutdown-sport-events-cancelled-latest-update-news


 


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Rob K
14 March 2020 15:36:54


 


You can play it down a bit but it does give some indication of the percentage growth rate. If it continues like this, we will be in trouble in a fortnight.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


It think it should be pretty obvious to everyone that growth is becoming exponential and that the numbers infected will peak in the millions, not the thousands. I can’t see any way that won’t happen to be honest. 


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Gandalf The White
14 March 2020 15:38:28


 


Yes, April will probably be a horrible month.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Sounds like a comment in the Weather Forum from our Aberdeen cohort.


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xioni2
14 March 2020 15:40:26


The rebellion is growing. One wonders whether Whitty and Vallance will soon have to be scapegoated. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I have thought the same and this is something that HMG would be very effective and ruthless at.


As for the letter, the time for experts to speak is now. 

Caz
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14 March 2020 15:44:40


I wasn't suggesting testing anyone who reports - but merely recording how many people are showing likely symptoms. If you don't know even that, how can you devise an effective policy?  The number of confirmed cases is now a meaningless statistic.


Originally Posted by: RobN 

I think you’re right about the number of confirmed cases being a meaningless statistic in some ways. It could never be accurate because we don’t know how many asymptomatic case there are. The problem with reporting ‘likely symptoms’ is that would be down to guess work rather than science, as there are so many other seasonal bugs around with similar symptoms. Added to that, the number of asymptomatic cases.  


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Gandalf The White
14 March 2020 15:51:54


 


I suspect (no evidence to support this) it is because 111 is in danger of collapsing.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


It’s because they are avoiding putting too much pressure on the 111 service. Good leadership is putting something in place at the right time. I do appreciate that’s less dramatic than using the word ‘collapse’.


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doctormog
14 March 2020 15:52:52
Yes, it is about time those thickos (CMO,CSO and their advisory teams) learned what we experts knew all along.
Arcus
14 March 2020 15:55:16

Yes, it is about time those thickos (CMO,CSO and their advisory teams) learned what we experts knew all along.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 



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Gandalf The White
14 March 2020 15:55:51


100,000 by the 29th. One suspects that HMG’s herd immunity strategy will not survive till then. Of course it may get worse in terms of the numbers given the current strategy.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Today’s cases caught the virus up to 14 days ago.  Don’t we need to see the effects after a similar period of time?


The CMO said that there were probably 5 to 10 times as many cases as are actually known about. 


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xioni2
14 March 2020 15:56:36

Yes, it is about time those thickos (CMO,CSO and their advisory teams) learned what we experts knew all along.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


I think that's a rather rash and unfair comment. Perhaps all their colleagues around the world are thickos too? 

Gandalf The White
14 March 2020 15:56:59

Yes, it is about time those thickos (CMO,CSO and their advisory teams) learned what we experts knew all along.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Succinct!


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Gandalf The White
14 March 2020 16:00:17


 


I think that's a rather rash and unfair comment. Perhaps all their colleagues around the world are thickos too? 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


There are lots of knowledgeable people around. How do you know our experts are wrong?


In any crisis there are always compelling, dissenting voices.  It’s natural to wonder if the right policies are being followed but it’s a leap to say, with no evidence, that they’re wrong.


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xioni2
14 March 2020 16:03:51


There are lots of knowledgeable people around. How do you know our experts are wrong?


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I don't. 

doctormog
14 March 2020 16:04:37


 


I think that's a rather rash and unfair comment. Perhaps all their colleagues around the world are thickos too? 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


With no evidence and lots of voices we have gone from respecting the experts’ opinion to discounting them. Again I say with no evidence of the efficacy of their or any other approach.


It’s as if enough people complain about the approach then the scientists and medics should change their minds regardless of the lack of any new evidence. I fear that is what will happen this time and what was a well-founded approach (which may or may not be the best one) will be discounted because (some of) the public so not like it


xioni2
14 March 2020 16:09:02


With no evidence and lots of voices we have gone from respecting the experts’ opinion to discounting them. Again I say with no evidence of the efficacy of their or any other approach.


It’s as if enough people complain about the approach then the scientists and medics should change their minds regardless of the lack of any new evidence. I fear that is what will happen this time and what was a well-founded approach (which may or may not be the best one) will be discounted because (some of) the public so not like it


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


That's fair enough and I agree actually. 


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