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Maunder Minimum
26 March 2020 20:25:01


 


Yes indeed. The Chinese may have a megalomaniac leader (and I can think of one or two not dissimilar in the west) and a political system that seems an anathema to us. However, they did publish papers like like this warning us the dangers - but we chose to ignore them.


Originally Posted by: RobN 


Suggest you read this:


https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2020/03/chinese-government-promotes-bear-bile-as-coronavirus-covid19-treatment/


 


New world order coming.
Rob K
26 March 2020 20:26:46


 


I am self isolating, I am advised/instructed not to have my children and grand children to visit, not to come within two metres of anyone should I go out and exercise.  How do we know that this couple are virus free.  they may be at the supermarket tomorrow affecting others.


Originally Posted by: POD 


I’m still struggling to see your point? If they walked past your bungalow I assume they were more than 2 metres from you, and/or separated by walls and windows?


People are allowed to go out for a walk as long as they maintain social distancing from those who don’t live in their own households. If they live together they can get as close to each other as they want (but maybe not in public 😉)


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Caz
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26 March 2020 20:29:35


 


I'm actually surprised with how many done it. I thought it would just be one or two people stood at their doors, but in fact the vast majority of the people in my area came out and clapped.


Very well done to the people in the NHS.


Originally Posted by: Bolty 

  Hubby was going to stay in and clap because he said we’d be the only one doing it but he came out with me anyway.  He said he was really surprised that there were so many people out clapping!   Togetherness!  


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RobN
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26 March 2020 20:40:07


National Geographic is now owned by Murdoch and is little more than a comic.


https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/nov/14/how-fox-ate-national-geographic


Rob
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Justin W
26 March 2020 20:44:13


  Hubby was going to stay in and clap because he said we’d be the only one doing it but he came out with me anyway.  He said he was really surprised that there were so many people out clapping!   Togetherness!  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


The wonderful people of our NHS saved my life last year. I will never forget it. Tonight was intensely moving and has made me realise what a wonderful country this still is.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Gooner
26 March 2020 20:45:01

All of our street out clapping , really shows true appreciation 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Gavin D
26 March 2020 20:50:43

Daily breakdown of the data from PHE


UK data 



  • Daily confirmed Cases - 2,129 (+587)

  • Patients Recovered - 135 (no change) - Current daily high for recovered patients 42 (22/03)

  • Total UK deaths - 578 (+115)


English data


Top 10 Local Authorities with the highest confirmed cases



  1. Birmingham: 290

  2. Hampshire: 267

  3. Southwark: 253

  4. Lambeth: 248

  5. Sheffield: 240

  6. Brent: 228

  7. Wandsworth: 204

  8. Croydon: 181

  9. Cumbria: 176

  10. Westminster: 172


Local Authorities with the fewest confirmed cases



  • Hartlepool: 3

  • Bracknell Forest: 3

  • Kingston upon Hull, City of: 4

  • North East Lincolnshire: 5

  • Darlington: 5

  • Blackburn with Darwen: 6

  • North Lincolnshire: 6

  • Isle of Wight: 7

  • Halton: 8

  • Blackpool: 8


Regional data



  • London - 3,919 (+672)

  • Midlands - 1,636 (+340)

  • South East - 1,129 (+253)

  • North East and Yorkshire - 891 (+193)

  • North West - 837 (+134)

  • East of England - 592 (+112)

  • South West - 453 (+56)


All changes with yesterday. Data based up to 9am today.

Maunder Minimum
26 March 2020 20:51:08
Gavin D
26 March 2020 20:53:25
The USA now have the most coronavirus cases in the WORLD after passing Italy and China

The US now have 81,943 confirmed cases +13,732 today
RobN
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26 March 2020 21:03:47


The first two simply reference the dodgy National Geographic article. The third one links to a page which seems to be a cookery site which doesn't mention bears. I can't be bothered to follow the rest.


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
xioni2
26 March 2020 21:04:33

The head of a visiting China Red Cross delegation visits Lombardy and says "I don't know what you are thinking"


 



Brian Gaze
26 March 2020 21:06:03

An enormous show of support for NHS staff just now. People banging pans with wooden spoons, fireworks and everything!

Originally Posted by: Ulric 


Oddly enough we had everything but fireworks here. Lots of banging and clapping with virtually everyone on the street either leaning of windows or standing at their front door.


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Maunder Minimum
26 March 2020 21:06:39


 


The first two simply reference the dodgy National Geographic article. The second one links to a page which seems to be a cookery site which doesn't mention bears. I can't be bothered to follow the rest.


Originally Posted by: RobN 


The Asia Times article references the original source - The Environmental Investigation Agency - or are you going to claim they are a Murdoch front organisation too?


https://eia-international.org/news/unbelievable-chinese-govt-recommends-injections-containing-bear-bile-to-treat-coronavirus/


 


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
26 March 2020 21:09:45


Dear Brian,


Is it possible to make links open in new windows as a default, please?

Thanks. 


Originally Posted by: ozone_aurora 


I think if you press ctrl when you click on the link it will open in a new window. 


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xioni2
26 March 2020 21:11:22


 What is it with you and China?


This is not about the Chinese people, but their odious government. Clearly, the first instinct was to cover up what was taking place, then to put in place extraordinary levels of invasion of liberty and freedom, levels of surveillance which we know will not be relaxed once this is over.


If anybody thinks the stats out of China are credible (80K infected and 3.2k dead), they must be credulous to an astonishing degree.


 

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


What is with you and China? I really dislike their regime and their politics and their propaganda stink, but that shouldn't stop us from learning from them if they have done something right. If our scientists think their data is ok, then I am more than happy to believe them.


You are letting your politics cloud your judgement; you shouldn't be too hard on the Chinese leadership anyway, they are just typical nationalists.

RobN
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26 March 2020 21:13:58


 


The Asia Times article references the original source - The Environmental Investigation Agency - or are you going to claim they are a Murdoch front organisation too?


https://eia-international.org/news/unbelievable-chinese-govt-recommends-injections-containing-bear-bile-to-treat-coronavirus/


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


The referenced link is all in Chinese characters and Google translate is not up to it. If your Mandarin is really up to it then either I can take your word for it or remain sceptical. Hmmm....


Rob
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xioni2
26 March 2020 21:14:28


 My comment was tongue in cheek; maybe I should have added an emoticon.


But the reality is that they are indulging in propaganda about the source of SARS-Cov-2 and it's unnecessary and worryingly indicative of their unchanged mindset.


I don't care what they have achieved; it was their bureaucratic, corrupt, system packed with incompetent officials that set this pandemic in motion. They should not be allowed to forget that; ever.  Bad enough that SARS originated there 20 years ago; to happen again and not to have learned is unforgivable.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


This is exactly where you are going wrong and you stop being rational and practical, you almost sound like a fundamentalist. I couldn't care less about politics. If Hitler had done something right, that we could emulate and it would be for a good purpose, then I'd try to learn from him.

Polar Low
26 March 2020 21:14:44

A good Q on Q Time can’t general p/decorating wait and anything none urgent? Surely now SE have support from the government this is not a issue?


The next question is about who should be going into work, after questions over whether places like construction sites should be staying open.


Humphrey Cobbold, chief executive of the Pure Gym group, says the government has offered "no clarity at all" on who should go in.


He adds, however, it is important people follow social distancing rules.


Richard Horton, of medical journal The Lancet, backs a total shutdown of construction sites, adding the UK should have to "shut down as much as possible".


He warns that without this, the other measures brought in by the government will have to go on for longer.

idj20
26 March 2020 21:15:18

I, too, clearly heard all the clapping here at Folkestone harbour which was quite surreal/touching.


I think there should be a thing where at 9 pm tomorrow, everyone shout "f*ck off!" to scare the virus away. Mind you, that would sound more like a typical Friday night around here anyway.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Maunder Minimum
26 March 2020 21:16:23


 


The referenced link is all in Chinese characters and Google translate is not up to it. If your Mandarin is really up to it then either I can take your word for it or remain sceptical. Hmmm....


Originally Posted by: RobN 


Here it is - the EIA article:


"


Despite a scientific consensus pointing to China’s wildlife trade as the most likely cause of the coronavirus pandemic, the country’s Government is currently touting a treatment containing bile milked from bears held in captivity.


Bile is a digestive fluid produced by the liver and stored in the gallbladder. It is harvested using several techniques, all of which require some degree of invasive surgery.


EIA has learnt that in a published list of recommended treatments for coronavirus (aka COVID-19), the country’s National Health Commission is promoting injections of a traditional medicine treatment which contains bear bile.


“Tan Re Qing” injections are among the recommended treatments for ‘severe’ and ‘critical’ cases of coronavirus in the COVID-19 Diagnosis and Treatment Plan (7th Trial Version), published on 4 March 2020 by the National Health Commission and circulated via State media.


Bear bile is one of the ingredients of “Tan Re Qing”, according to the website of a major pharmaceutical manufacturer.


In February, the Chinese Government banned the consumption of most terrestrial wild animals as food in the wake of coronavirus. This should be a positive move if implemented effectively and ethically – however, the ban does not cover use of wildlife products in traditional Chinese medicine or as ornamental items.


Traditional medicines containing threatened wildlife parts such as pangolin scales, leopard bones, saiga horn and the bile of captive-bred bears are still legal in China.


Aron White, EIA Wildlife Campaigner and China Specialist, said: “Restricting the eating of wildlife while promoting medicines containing wildlife parts exemplifies the mixed messages being sent by Chinese authorities on wildlife trade.


“Aside from the irony of promoting a wildlife product for treatment of a disease which the scientific community has overwhelmingly concluded originated in wildlife, the continued promotion of the use of threatened wildlife in medicine is hugely irresponsible in an era of unprecedented biodiversity loss, including illegal and unsustainable trade.”


Even if wildlife products such as bear bile and tiger bone are sourced from captive animals, this has not relieved pressure on wild populations, especially given the consistent preference among consumers for products sourced from the wild. Instead, these legal markets are legitimising and thereby perpetuating demand for threatened wildlife.


White added: “A huge number of people in China have been calling for greater restrictions on wildlife trade. EIA strongly supports these calls and wants to see China’s ban extended to cover the use of threatened wildlife for any purpose, including in traditional medicine.


“At this moment in history, as the world is crippled by the coronavirus pandemic, the public health and environmental risks of wildlife trade are rightly receiving unprecedented attention. There could be no better time to end the use of the parts of threatened wildlife in medicine, especially as recent surveys conducted in China showed the vast majority of respondents were opposed to use of wildlife in medicine. In doing so, China could become a genuine leader in conservation and we hope other countries would follow its example.


“The use of the threatened wildlife is traditional medicine in totally unnecessary, especially given the availability of acceptable herbal and artificial alternatives, and many traditional medicine practitioners and users want to see an end to use of wildlife products.”.


EIA is calling on China’s lawmakers to use a revision to the country’s wildlife legislation to ensure all trade in parts and products of threatened wildlife – including bears, big cats, rhinos, elephants and pangolins – is permanently banned.


Only last month, EIA revealed how illegal wildlife traders in in China and Laos were cashing in on fears over the coronavirus outbreak in China by peddling fake cures containing rhino horn and other endangered species products."


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
26 March 2020 21:17:13

Despite my earlier "optimism" I'm now thinking the UK lockdown will need to go even further as Richard Horton suggests. All UK politicians should be forced to listen to the Chinese red cross guy in Lombardy. As for the USA.... 


UK 'should shut down as much as possible'




The next question is about who should be going into work, after questions over whether places like construction sites should be staying open.


Humphrey Cobbold, chief executive of the Pure Gym group, says the government has offered "no clarity at all" on who should go in.


He adds, however, it is important people follow social distancing rules.


Richard Horton, of medical journal The Lancet, backs a total shutdown of construction sites, adding the UK should have to "shut down as much as possible".


He warns that without this, the other measures brought in by the government will have to go on for longer.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52044452


 




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RobN
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26 March 2020 21:19:05


 


What is with you and China? I really dislike their regime and their politics and their propaganda stink, but that shouldn't stop us from learning from them if they have done something right. If our scientists think their data is ok, then I am more than happy to believe them.


You are letting your politics cloud your judgement; you shouldn't be too hard on the Chinese leadership anyway, they are just typical nationalists.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 



Rob
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xioni2
26 March 2020 21:20:20


Despite my earlier "optimism" I'm now thinking the UK lockdown will need to go even further as Richard Horton suggests. All UK politicians should be forced to listen to the Chinese red cross guy in Lombardy. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


It takes real balls for a foreign doctor to tell that in their face and hopefully they will listen.


Enough with China anyway, the clapping for the NHS was very moving indeed, we already owed them a lot, but the debt will become enormous now.


Thank you.

Brian Gaze
26 March 2020 21:25:06

It's only the Fail but this article suggests antibody testing for the masses is along way off. 


He [Whitty] said the devices were still 'a few weeks' from being ready and warned the 'one thing worse than no test is a bad test' - incorrect results could lead to Britons unknowingly spreading the virus.


...


But Professor Yvonne Doyle, medical director at Public Health England, revealed today samples will need to be sent to a lab and analysed by specialists - a process that could take as long as a day. 


 


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8154885/Coronavirus-test-confusion-No-10-admits-no-idea-work.html


If the lab has the ability to process 20,000 tests per day (a big ask - simply think about the logistics of transporting, opening, processing, logging etc) it will take 40 days to process 1 million. 


 


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