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Heavy Weather 2013
09 April 2020 15:42:07


 



At the time I thought it was totally absurd to allow that match to proceed, Saint. Prof John Ashton, who is a Liverpool fan, made reference to this when he appeared on Question Time the following night.  IIRC, Spanish domestic football was playing played behind closed doors for some time before then.


The following night, there were a few thousand German fans in Glasgow for the first leg of the Rangers v Bayer Leverkusen Europa tie which the Germans won 3-1 (this was Rangers last match before the shutdown). This was after German authorities had made the decision to now allow any fans to travel from Scotland to Germany the following week for the return leg.


UEFA has been as complacent in all this as any government has in this crisis.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Yes, I remember we were furious David. I was equally annoyed at those stereophonics gigs 


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llamedos
09 April 2020 15:44:11


 


All that drinking I guess 


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 

Well hopefully he'll sober up very quickly when he takes on board what I've explained to him


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09 April 2020 15:44:58


Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said the effect of social-distancing measures had prompted him to revise his projections.


“The real data are telling us it is highly likely we are having a definite positive effect by the mitigation things that we’re doing, this physical separation,” Dr Fauci said in an interview with NBC on Thursday.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Good news


Slight devil's advocate: I have to say that all this stuff makes my causation/correlation OCD twitch a bit. It does seem very probable that the lockdown is the cause of the reduction but it's hard be certain, really hard to quantify the effect and probably impossible to tell which bits of a lockdown are the most effective. This will make the effect of any approach on releasing lockdowns very tough to predict.


 


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Brian Gaze
09 April 2020 15:50:00


 


Good news


Slight devil's advocate: I have to say that all this stuff makes my causation/correlation OCD twitch a bit. It does seem very probable that the lockdown is the cause of the reduction but it's hard be certain, really hard to quantify the effect and probably impossible to tell which bits of a lockdown are the most effective. This will make the effect of any approach on releasing lockdowns very tough to predict.


 


Originally Posted by: pfw 


 That's a very good point IMO. Although I'm strongly favour of the lockdown in the UK (and would be tempted to tighten even more) that thought had occurred to me.  I suppose the data from Sweden comes back into play but it is very difficult to make comparisons, let alone draw any conclusions.


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fairweather
09 April 2020 15:55:28

He's absolutely right and it was most Countries as well. Last night's Horizon, if you watched it, was a rerun of one broadcast in 2009. It looked at the viruses up till then including smallpox, Sars and Aids. It showed maps and predicted exactly what has happened now. The final conclusion said " From a bio and mathematical point of view another Pandemic is a certainty".


We chose to do nothing. One thing hopefully we will do after this is be more forward thinking. Who would mind paying more tax to build and leave at least four massive regional pandemic hospitals, fully equipped and mothballed ready to go at the drop of the hat. Can easily be afforded. If it's economical to stockpile weapons and not use them then it is economical to do the same with hospitals.


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fairweather
09 April 2020 15:58:52


 


I was out in Alton at 8pm last night on my exercise walk and there was no clapping


 


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Nobody here in a highly pro Johnson area. NHS clap well supported though.


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Phil G
09 April 2020 16:00:39
From the BBC ticker:
"China denies 'cover-up' and defends WHO
The Chinese government has rejected “unfair and unjust” allegations that it tried to “cover up” the coronavirus outbreak in the city where it began.
Zhao Lijian, a foreign ministry spokesman, said China had been “open, transparent and responsible” in informing the world about the epidemic.
He said it “took us some time before we knew more about” the virus, which was officially first detected in the city of Wuhan, in Hubei province, late last year.
China is widely considered to have concealed the extent, severity and even existence of Covid-19 during the early stages of the outbreak".

I thought their own doctors were shouting out saying they had something very bad there, but the govt there tried to silence.
Gavin D
09 April 2020 16:03:03
16,784 in hospital with Covid-19
Gavin D
09 April 2020 16:06:15

19,438 patients were in hospital in the UK yesterday with Covid-19 Dominic Raab has today said it's 16,784 today. Has he missed off hospitals outside of England or are things improving?

David M Porter
09 April 2020 16:10:25

From the BBC ticker:
"China denies 'cover-up' and defends WHO
The Chinese government has rejected “unfair and unjust” allegations that it tried to “cover up” the coronavirus outbreak in the city where it began.
Zhao Lijian, a foreign ministry spokesman, said China had been “open, transparent and responsible” in informing the world about the epidemic.
He said it “took us some time before we knew more about” the virus, which was officially first detected in the city of Wuhan, in Hubei province, late last year.
China is widely considered to have concealed the extent, severity and even existence of Covid-19 during the early stages of the outbreak".

I thought their own doctors were shouting out saying they had something very bad there, but the govt there tried to silence.

Originally Posted by: Phil G 


There was one young doctor in Wuhan who, IIRC, did his level best to raise the alarm about the disease and how potentially serious it could be back at the start of it. The authorities tried to silence the doctor by making threats against him. The doctor in question later died from the effects of the disease.


The Chinese authorities back then weren't giving a damn about the well being of their own people or that of people elsewhere in the world, and very clearly were doing all they could to cover it up. I simply don't believe them if they are now saying "We didn't know".



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Gavin D
09 April 2020 16:11:48

Daily slides


Hospital admissions



Patients in critical care


Saint Snow
09 April 2020 16:12:03


 Although I'm strongly favour of the lockdown in the UK (and would be tempted to tighten even more)


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


I actually think the balance is pretty correct at the moment. 


The issue is one of enforcement. The universal softly-softly approach isn't deterring those selfish pillocks who blatantly flout the restrictions (they mainly seem to fall into two categories, at different ends of the social spectrum). There needs to be tougher punishments on the more serious transgressions like parties, organised gatherings and second-home jollies.



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Gavin D
09 April 2020 16:14:51

Italy 



  • 4,204 new cases

  • 610 new deaths


New cases up 368
New deaths up 68

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09 April 2020 16:21:11


Italy 



  • 4,204 new cases

  • 610 new deaths


New cases up 368
New deaths up 68


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

Oh dear!  So they’re not out of the woods yet!  Is this increase due to relaxing their lockdown?  


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09 April 2020 16:23:00


Well hopefully he'll sober up very quickly when he takes on board what I've explained to him


Originally Posted by: llamedos 

I sincerely hope he does as I would be sorry to lose (part of) him. 


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09 April 2020 16:24:01

 


I actually think the balance is pretty correct at the moment. 


The issue is one of enforcement. The universal softly-softly approach isn't deterring those selfish pillocks who blatantly flout the restrictions (they mainly seem to fall into two categories, at different ends of the social spectrum). There needs to be tougher punishments on the more serious transgressions like parties, organised gatherings and second-home jollies.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I agree!  


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Justin W
09 April 2020 16:27:47

Pretty clear that we are not yet at the peak if you look at CC admissions


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Brian Gaze
09 April 2020 16:29:10


Pretty clear that we are not yet at the peak if you look at CC admissions


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Vallance says probably 2 weeks off. That's a long time. 


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09 April 2020 16:38:35


I actually think the balance is pretty correct at the moment. 


The issue is one of enforcement. The universal softly-softly approach isn't deterring those selfish pillocks who blatantly flout the restrictions (they mainly seem to fall into two categories, at different ends of the social spectrum). There needs to be tougher punishments on the more serious transgressions like parties, organised gatherings and second-home jollies.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Cambridgeshire Constabulary have sent out an email with a link to an online form to allow reporting of breaches of the COVID-19 regulations.


Our approach is to engage and encourage people to go home, but if people still won’t comply we will act. We have only issued five fines in the past 48 hours which shows the vast majority of people are taking this very seriously, thank you.”


Why can't reporting a normal crime in normal times be made this simple?


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The Beast from the East
09 April 2020 16:38:55


19,438 patients were in hospital in the UK yesterday with Covid-19 Dominic Raab has today said it's 16,784 today. Has he missed off hospitals outside of England or are things improving?


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


From the graph it looks like its gone up?


But perhaps thousands have been discharged since yesterday?


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Brian Gaze
09 April 2020 16:43:12


19,438 patients were in hospital in the UK yesterday with Covid-19 Dominic Raab has today said it's 16,784 today. Has he missed off hospitals outside of England or are things improving?


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


The graph states that overall admissions have gone up 2% since yesterday. 


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JHutch
09 April 2020 16:46:35

There been any more news on Dominic Cummings' progress? Have hardly heard anything but it must be 10 days now since he got it.

John p
09 April 2020 16:48:25

As I suspected, joggers are a big problem.


 




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John p
09 April 2020 16:51:18
If the PM is making the progress they say he is with each update, I’d imagine he’ll be cycling back to Downing St on a Boris Bike😀
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The Beast from the East
09 April 2020 16:51:27


There been any more news on Dominic Cummings' progress? Have hardly heard anything but it must be 10 days now since he got it.


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


Nothing, he was at home self isolating last I heard.


If something bad had happened, we would know about it though. 


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