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Jiries
31 July 2018 18:01:03

GFS 12z op looks much more unsettled than the ensemble mean from midweek next week.

Originally Posted by: superteacher 


Thankfully they are in FI range so it can change by then.   Forget the FI and look forward to the coming hot period.

superteacher
31 July 2018 18:07:29


It's v.unusual to get three dry and hot summer months on the trot though isn't it - therefore an unsettled August has to be the form horse.


Originally Posted by: briggsy6 


Two hot summer months does not reduce the chances of August being the same.


If you spin two consecutive heads on a coin, there is still the same chance of getting a head on the third spin.

sizzle
31 July 2018 18:12:44

UKMO Contingency Planners Guidance: August To October 2018  [ looking drier than average and warmer and average. ] if that's being the case will we have another UNIQUE winter like 2009/10 to make up for the rain fall...


https://www.gavsweathervids.com/flash.html

Rob K
31 July 2018 18:13:24
UKMO looks like it would be more settled than GFS, although hard to know where it would go from T144.
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Caz
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31 July 2018 18:27:02


It's v.unusual to get three dry and hot summer months on the trot though isn't it - therefore an unsettled August has to be the form horse.


Originally Posted by: briggsy6 

This whole year has been very unusual, so don’t rule anything out!


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xioni2
31 July 2018 18:36:57

I think some people also forget how in May/June the models kept underestimating the high pressure more than 5 days out, we could easily be back in such a setup.


In fact I'd be surprised to see any rain at all down here during the first 10 days of August and I expect plenty of sunshine.

Rob K
31 July 2018 18:38:16
No sign of a heatwave on the ECM, although it looks pretty settled out to T168. Hot air kept well to the south.
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Arcus
31 July 2018 18:39:01

UKMO looks like it would be more settled than GFS, although hard to know where it would go from T144.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


The one thing that ECM and UKMO share at T+144 is that tendency to lower heights into Scandi - IMO that would rule out a long term block reforming over the UK, rather the Azores riding into UK before troughing pushes heights away to the east - i.e. BAU UK Summer.


That doesn't rule out warm or event hot conditions, just not the longevity of benign conditions we've seen thus far in this summer. Still, all could yet change, but there's a growing trend going on there.


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xioni2
31 July 2018 18:42:20


 The one thing that ECM and UKMO share at T+144 is that tendency to lower heights into Scandi - IMO that would rule out a long term block reforming over the UK, rather the Azores riding into UK before troughing pushes heights away to the east - i.e. BAU UK Summer.


That doesn't rule out warm or event hot conditions, just not the longevity of benign conditions we've seen thus far in this summer. Still, all could yet change, but there's a growing trend going on there.


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


June had plenty of days with troughing in Scandi.


 

31 July 2018 19:28:04

It is very notable how much the models are struggling at the moment. The ENS are all over the place. If we look at the latest verification stats we see that the numbers are really quite low. GFS, GEM (CMC), UKM are all at essentially the same number around 0.864 for T120 500mb heights. 


Usually UKM is close to or above 0.9. ECM is holding above 0.9 but only just. It is substantially outperforming all other models at present but still well below the 0.92 level it is often at.


The new GFS parallel run is doing somewhat better than the current operational GFS and is second only to ECM at present.


Looking at today’s data rather than the 31 day running mean we see that all models are verifying below 0.9 in both the northern and Southern Hemispheres which is quite unusual. 


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS/html/new_acz5.html

xioni2
31 July 2018 19:44:28

A more unsettled ensemble from the EC, next one please!


Arcus
31 July 2018 19:53:37


 


June had plenty of days with troughing in Scandi.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Transitional troughing from the NW of Scandi mostly rather than Atlantic troughing from the west.


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The Beast from the East
31 July 2018 20:47:48


A more unsettled ensemble from the EC, next one please!



Originally Posted by: xioni2 


face facts, summer is in decline so enjoy this weekend as it maybe the last of the heat hopefully! 


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
31 July 2018 20:49:53


 


June had plenty of days with troughing in Scandi.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Yes that is quite true.


And from this Friday the GFS, UKMO and ECMWF Models are progressively clearly trending pointing to end of Norway Sweden High and replaced by Low Pressure Reconveying over SE Canada SW Greenland NE USA Newfoundland then around near Iceland and North Atlantic.  Arctic High is shown to be a big influencer on the period from 3rd August to 9th and 10th August.  Weaker Azores High after this Sunday but chopping and changing in last 48 hours to today’s 12z, waxing and waning effects of Azores High- what with the cooler runs of late!!.


And it is clearly looking more cooler but more benign weather from Monday to Thursday next week. The GFS or the ECMWF runs both struggling with accuracy.


I notice the Jetstream has a very strong link Canada NE USA North Atlantic and NNE Europe and SE Arctic over Nova Zemlya And over Northern tip of Russia (1000 miles NNE of Norway) and wetter the further North you go with High Pressure becoming less able to draft hot air across the UK. There is ongoing sense that next week it could turn quiet and settled - GFS and ECMWF need some work over the next couple of days hmm.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge.Β 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
31 July 2018 20:55:53


 


face facts, summer is in decline so enjoy this weekend as it maybe the last of the heat hopefully! 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


To me the outlook is uncertain and it would take a brave person to call our prospects for August.


We’re not going to match the incessant heat of July or the prolonged settled weather of June so logic dictates a ‘decline’ is correct.


It needs to be mentioned however that a decline in this case is merely a return to a more typical summer pattern for the British Isles. 


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LeedsLad123
31 July 2018 21:01:12


 


To me the outlook is uncertain and it would take a brave person to call our prospects for August.


We’re not going to match the incessant heat of July or the prolonged settled weather of June so logic dictates a ‘decline’ is correct.


It needs to be mentioned however that a decline in this case is merely a return to a more typical summer pattern for the British Isles. 


Originally Posted by: WanderingLonelyAsACumulonimbusIncus 


And typical summer weather in the British Isles is, quite frankly, not very good. Much too cloudy most of the time. 


May, June and July have made me realise how much I need to move to a sunny climate as average British weather just won't suffice at all. Maybe I can take advantage of freedom of movement before it ends. 


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JACKO4EVER
31 July 2018 21:01:24
No surprise the weather is going to turn, my camping trip from 10th August for 10 days looks in danger- just typical, even in the summer of all heatwaves, we look like choosing another poor few days like we do most years.
David M Porter
31 July 2018 21:22:55


 


face facts, summer is in decline so enjoy this weekend as it maybe the last of the heat hopefully! 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


How you can make such a statement in the face of such ongoing uncertainty in the model output for the period from early next week onwards is beyond me.


You may end up being right of course, but I think the best approach at the moment would be to simply wait and see.


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
31 July 2018 21:34:46

The weather forecast still suggests hot and sunny weather rest of this week, and this weekend and much of the following week. The North cooler but it stays hot in Southern UK. 850 hPa And 500 hPa Pressure maps indicate the higher temperatures not as high as real forecast temperatures give the data seen on the wunderground app.πŸ˜ŽπŸ˜†β˜€οΈπŸ‘. Zzz Lol.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge.Β 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
TimS
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31 July 2018 21:56:27
Just logged in to find an emerging consensus for the weather to return to a more typical U.K. summer pattern fur August. Then looked at the actual model output for Southern and Central England.

GFS has maxes for the next week (adding the usual 1-2C to raw output) of 28, 30, 34, 33, 32, 32, 34. It then goes cooler, at which point the op becomes a cool outlier for the rest of the run.

ECM has maxes of 26, 30, 32, 30, 28, 30, 29. It then stays very nice: 29, 28, 28.

That’s more 30C days in August 2018 than some summers manage in 3 months.
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White Meadows
31 July 2018 22:12:02

Just logged in to find an emerging consensus for the weather to return to a more typical U.K. summer pattern fur August. Then looked at the actual model output for Southern and Central England.

GFS has maxes for the next week (adding the usual 1-2C to raw output) of 28, 30, 34, 33, 32, 32, 34. It then goes cooler, at which point the op becomes a cool outlier for the rest of the run.

ECM has maxes of 26, 30, 32, 30, 28, 30, 29. It then stays very nice: 29, 28, 28.

That’s more 30C days in August 2018 than some summers manage in 3 months.

Originally Posted by: TimS 


The voice of reason.


it seems a few folk should redirect their interests to an Autumn prospects thread.

Rob K
31 July 2018 22:35:34

The problem is what happens after those few hot days (which are largely restricted to the south anyway). It’s looking more and more like cool northwesterlies setting in, as per the 18z GFS. The question is whether the Azores high can salvage any of the rest of August (I’m also going to be camping around the middle of the month so really don’t want “typical British summer weather” please!)


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Rob K
31 July 2018 23:22:09
Talking of typical British summer weather, the 18 GFS isn’t far away from bringing snow into the Highlands by T348... πŸ˜‰
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White Meadows
01 August 2018 05:39:20
00z looking good for heat and settled weather.
The usual incoherent mess in FI but a good run if you want dominant high pressure.
DEW
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01 August 2018 06:24:31

00z looking good for heat and settled weather.
The usual incoherent mess in FI but a good run if you want dominant high pressure.

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


As I look at GFS 0z in FI, it seems quite keen for the Atlantic to link up with a heat trough over France from the middle of next week, so maybe some thunderstorm activity. ECM which was keener on this, now keeps HP in charge. Still warm/hot either way.


But a lot can happen in 7 days.


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