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Rob K
31 July 2018 08:58:44
Pretty strong agreement for a dip in pressure around August 8 followed by a slight return of HP

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT2_London_ens.png 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Weathermac
31 July 2018 09:04:17


 


I was criticised for saying that once the pattern breaks it stays broken, but it appears to be the case. Still warm or hot in the south at times but rain chances increasing as the jet is now heading south


Good ca  ll from J Hammond it would seem. This morning's downpour was unexpected but a sign of things to come 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I do not know what you are seeing in the models that the rest of us and the professionals cant its looking mostly dry for the foreseeable for most of England in the next 2 weeks if the jet was heading south that would not be the case ??

superteacher
31 July 2018 09:04:24


 


I was criticised for saying that once the pattern breaks it stays broken, but it appears to be the case. Still warm or hot in the south at times but rain chances increasing as the jet is now heading south


Good call from J Hammond it would seem. This morning's downpour was unexpected but a sign of things to come 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Can we borrow your time machine - the one you have that allows you to know what August 2018 was like?


This morning’s showery rain has been forecast for a couple of days now.


I sometimes wonder if some people actually look at charts before posting!


Just for balance, the ECM op in the latter stages is an outlier.

Brian Gaze
31 July 2018 09:10:37


 


I was criticised for saying that once the pattern breaks it stays broken, but it appears to be the case. Still warm or hot in the south at times but rain chances increasing as the jet is now heading south


Good call from J Hammond it would seem. This morning's downpour was unexpected but a sign of things to come 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


The "wet spell" since last Friday has delivered a grand total of 10.6mm of rain here. I know parts of the south east had a deluge this morning but we recorded 0.0mm of rain and the grass is showing few signs of recovery. More warm and dry weather is on the way during the coming days and there's a slim chance of record breaking heat early next week. A thundery breakdown may follow but then high pressure looks likely to lurk. I agree it may not be as dry and warm as what has gone but that does not equate to a "washout" by any stretch of the imagination.


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sizzle
31 July 2018 09:51:08

GP morning update for latter part of next week


The early part of next week should see high pressure still in control but it's exact position will be critical. Much of Spain, Portugal and France will have a potentially record-breaking heatwave and if the high pressure moves east we could start to pull this intense heat out way through Monday and Tuesday.


If the weather does turn very hot early next week it's likely to be quite brief as this unstable Spanish Plume is likely to trigger violent thunderstorms followed by a return of cooler and fresher air from off the Atlantic.


be interesting what the models pick up on this over the next few days....

xioni2
31 July 2018 09:58:21


 I was criticised for saying that once the pattern breaks it stays broken, but it appears to be the case. Still warm or hot in the south at times but rain chances increasing as the jet is now heading south


Good call from J Hammond it would seem. This morning's downpour was unexpected but a sign of things to come 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Are you writing rubbish on purpose? This morning's downpour was very much expected and Hammond's call still looks very poor.


The outlook remains mostly warm and dry even if  (and it's a big if) we get a slightly unsettled period in mid-August.


 


 

Brian Gaze
31 July 2018 10:09:25


 


Are you writing rubbish on purpose? This morning's downpour was very much expected and Hammond's call still looks very poor.


The outlook remains mostly warm and dry even if  (and it's a big if) we get a slightly unsettled period in mid-August.


 


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 



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SJV
31 July 2018 10:20:11


 


I was criticised for saying that once the pattern breaks it stays broken, but it appears to be the case. Still warm or hot in the south at times but rain chances increasing as the jet is now heading south


Good call from J Hammond it would seem. This morning's downpour was unexpected but a sign of things to come 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


You keep blathering on about the jet yet in the short to medium term it heads north and weakens?  It's barely an influence at all into the second week of August.


You'll continue to be criticised if you keep posting rubbish, as many others have realised 

Rob K
31 July 2018 10:20:26

GFS 06Z now going for 52C in Portugal on Saturday, with 850hPa temps of 31C. 


 



 


 


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superteacher
31 July 2018 10:37:42

GFS 06z 186



 


ECM 00z 192


 


Rob K
31 July 2018 10:40:50
It's ridiculous, isn't it? Models are all over the place. 06Z GFS run looks to be keeping it warm and humid longer into next week while ECM wants a fresh northerly.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
superteacher
31 July 2018 10:43:42

It's ridiculous, isn't it? Models are all over the place. 06Z GFS run looks to be keeping it warm and humid longer into next week while ECM wants a fresh northerly.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Crazy Rob!


ECM and GFS are like a mirror image of each other - don't ever recall seeing that before!


Not that I trust GFS that much (or any model at the moment), but it has been consistent in its recent output, unlike the ECM.

Rob K
31 July 2018 10:49:19
6Z GFS goes for a real soaker the weekend after next, still pretty warm though up to that point

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2018073106/gfs-2-276.png?6 

Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Rob K
31 July 2018 11:34:30
Still a handful of GEFS runs bringing the 20C isotherm into the south early next week, but it's a bit of an outside chance.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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golfingmad
31 July 2018 12:01:33


 


Crazy Rob!


ECM and GFS are like a mirror image of each other - don't ever recall seeing that before!


Not that I trust GFS that much (or any model at the moment), but it has been consistent in its recent output, unlike the ECM.


Originally Posted by: superteacher 


Agreed. It's all over the place! I honestly think the models haven't got a clue at the moment. Anything could happen.


It does look though that August may well turn out a different month to June and July. Perhaps wet and warmish overall, but not hot. Certainly a big doubt anyway as to whether the summer of 2018 will make the Top Five in the CET summer series.


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Rob K
31 July 2018 12:24:58

Heat still looks far from nailed on, even in the south. Above average temps from Thursday, and largely dry for a week or more, though.


 



Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
andy-manc
31 July 2018 13:08:10

It's been steadily slipping here since the beginning of July so it just looks like a continuation of the decline which I feared.


May and particularly June were our special summer months this year.

bledur
31 July 2018 13:12:23


 


Are you writing rubbish on purpose? This morning's downpour was very much expected and Hammond's call still looks very poor.


The outlook remains mostly warm and dry even if  (and it's a big if) we get a slightly unsettled period in mid-August.


 


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 Just read the J. Hammond  look ahead and he is really saying August will become more mixed which at this stage looks possible. The M.O long range also trends a little more unsettled so still looking pretty warm for a while  and  weatherweb going for a more unsettled mid August, Not the more clear cut dry and settled theme of earlier two months.

Rob K
31 July 2018 13:49:00

6Z GFS parallel run is pretty cool and unsettled in the second half of next week although it does have a brief hot plume (20C+ at 850 into the south) before that.



Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Brian Gaze
31 July 2018 17:12:16

GFS12z looking very different next week.




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superteacher
31 July 2018 17:15:24
Now GFS has a wobble! Monday and Tuesday look hot though.
I don't think any output past 96 hours can be taken seriously at the moment. Massive swings between runs.
It was GFS that was being the most consistent recently. Now it seems to have been affected by whatever it is that's causing the uncertainly.
xioni2
31 July 2018 17:32:34

I think there is often too much emphasis on op runs and the gfs ensemble. . 


Even though there is lower confidence for next week, a MME still suggests that overall anticyclonic conditions with below normal rain and above normal temps is the most likely outcome. . 

superteacher
31 July 2018 17:42:26
GFS 12z op looks much more unsettled than the ensemble mean from midweek next week.
briggsy6
31 July 2018 17:43:09

It's v.unusual to get three dry and hot summer months on the trot though isn't it - therefore an unsettled August has to be the form horse.


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SJV
31 July 2018 17:59:38
So this time the GFS has the high moving eastwards, temporarily drawing up hot air for the beginning of next week. This gets ushered away quickly as the high sinks SE allowing a flabby low in from the NW introducing much cooler and fresher air with showers. A secondary low provides more general rain for the following weekend.

Thereafter the Azores high finally ridges in from the SW but it all looks rather tenuous. Fun to see the different scenarios offered by the models at the moment. No real consensus forming at all beyond this weekend - just where will our high go? Will it 'go' that easily, too?

This has a long way to go before we can really know what'll happen. For what it's worth I can see our high moving eastwards but perhaps not as swiftly as the GFS 12z wants to do it. I can also see the Azores high do a better and quicker job of re-ridging in long-term as well as we cycle in a more familiar '3 fine days and a thunderstorm' -style scenario.

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