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marco 79
05 January 2020 09:32:27

The Northern Hemisphere is currently running an anomaly of +1.3c...Most of Russia and further east to Siberia are currently +5 to +10c above average..Only Alaska and the far NE Canadian Arctic show any negative anomalies...


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Polar Low
05 January 2020 09:33:16

Interesting January night time record under threat for s/e T2 still increasing at midnight peak at around early hours Wednesday morning peaking at >12c 


Uk current record 13.1c


London 0z set T2


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_table.php?x=0&y=0&lat=51.5085&lon=-0.12574&run=0&ext=fr&mode=7&sort=0


 


 


 


 




 


I can't say I've ever seen such a sustained run of poor ensembles (in terms of cold) this millennium. It really is remarkable just how few -10s there are; after a couple of days last week with a handful per run in GEFS (and one or two in EPS), both models have now reverted to none.


The overwhelming signal is as it has been all winter: sustained mild weather with no end in sight.


(It will, of course, come to an end eventually, but it's unlikely to be in the next 10 days at least.)


Originally Posted by: Retron 

doctormog
05 January 2020 09:41:56


Interesting January night time record under threat for s/e T2 still increasing at midnight peak at around early hours Wednesday morning peaking at >12c 


Uk current record 13.1c


London 0z set T2


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_table.php?x=0&y=0&lat=51.5085&lon=-0.12574&run=0&ext=fr&mode=7&sort=0


  


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Is the record not the value for the highest minimum not the highest overnight temperature? In other words if it was colder at 9pm then that is the value that would used as the minimum regardless of whether the temperature was still increasing.


Polar Low
05 January 2020 09:54:02

correct I used the wrong word should have used 


Highest daily minimum




 


Is the record not the value for the highest minimum not the highest overnight temperature? In other words if it was colder at 9pm then that is the value that would used as the minimum regardless of whether the temperature was still increasing.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 

doctormog
05 January 2020 10:16:20
In which case it if it is for example “only” 10°C at 9pm then that is the value counted as the minimum. I suspect the highest nighttime maximum would be much higher than 13.1°C but I doubt if any specific record is kept.
ballamar
05 January 2020 10:41:52
Given the vast difference between op run, the ENS could flip at any point. Think we could see a colder set coming all past 10/11 days though
tallyho_83
05 January 2020 11:08:05
Re the GFS what was shown to be a colder and drier spell, with frost and fog a day or so back with HP building from the south and pushing northwards has now failed and being flattened by the jet with areas of low pressure day after day after day right until end of the run now.
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Argyle77
05 January 2020 11:29:00
FWIW which is probably nothing,I spoke to our retired local forecaster in the village yesterday,when I saw him in a certain shop he frequents fairly often,and they are the only shops that never seem to close down😉

He still going for this dramatic change by the end of January lasting till at least mid Febuary,with bitterly cold weather persisting.

Says he uses a variety of methods,and also mentioned that all the cold air bottled up in the Arctic,will explode soon,and flood South.Like when you shake a coke bottle and open the lid,he described.

Well not too long to wait to see if any of this unfolds,or not..
nsrobins
05 January 2020 11:39:04

FWIW which is probably nothing,I spoke to our retired local forecaster in the village yesterday,when I saw him in a certain shop he frequents fairly often,and they are the only shops that never seem to close down😉

He still going for this dramatic change by the end of January lasting till at least mid Febuary,with bitterly cold weather persisting.

Says he uses a variety of methods,and also mentioned that all the cold air bottled up in the Arctic,will explode soon,and flood South.Like when you shake a coke bottle and open the lid,he described.

Well not too long to wait to see if any of this unfolds,or not..

Originally Posted by: Argyle77 


It’s happened before, with or without SSW, or Easterly QBO or PV splits or fishy CODs and IO dipoles or maypoles or B&Qs, AOs, NAOs, AI, MFI and the rest of it. 
Sometimes the simplest way to look at things is the law of averages and the Alan Parson’s directive - what goes up must come down. The higher the temps stay, the more dramatic they will fall.


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Phil G
05 January 2020 11:39:41
The clock is ticking. Disappointing to say the least not to see any prospect of cold weather in our short winter window of opportunity.
In fact the storminess forecasted seems to ramp up as we go on over the next week or two with some events pile driving into the UK.
Some spectacular scenes around some of our coasts if you like that type of thing. The surf will be up!
Sevendust
05 January 2020 11:42:46

Well there's always a dramatic change in the offing in this thread in winter.


Of interest currently is how mild and stormy things could get. Back end of ECM is very volatile to say the least especially as you head west. 

Brian Gaze
05 January 2020 11:55:54

GEFs 06z update may be a tad warmer or colder than the last update. I'm not going to bother checking. The key thing is it fully consistent with recent updates. With every passing day the potential for this winter to become notable increases.



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Gandalf The White
05 January 2020 11:58:13

The clock is ticking. Disappointing to say the least not to see any prospect of cold weather in our short winter window of opportunity.
In fact the storminess forecasted seems to ramp up as we go on over the next week or two with some events pile driving into the UK.
Some spectacular scenes around some of our coasts if you like that type of thing. The surf will be up!

Originally Posted by: Phil G 


I find the trend in the models this morning encouraging. We've had chart after chart showing high pressure very close to our south and a predominately mild and, for the south, reasonably settled, period of weather. Now we have the high being pushed away a little and low pressure making more progress east and south. It could, of course, just revert to high pressure and mild but it could also be a signal for low pressure to move east. Still very mobile, so sustained cold seems unlikely.


In the meantime it looks potentially stormy with quite a lot of rain in prospect again.


http://www.weathercast.co.uk/services/ensemble-forecast.html


 


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tallyho_83
05 January 2020 12:23:48


GEFs 06z update may be a tad warmer or colder than the last update. I'm not going to bother checking. The key thing is it fully consistent with recent updates. With every passing day the potential for this winter to become notable increases.



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


...And Brian? I thought when you said (back in November or end of November) something like to make the best of the colder snap as it could be the last one/only one of the winter' - that you were joking as it was only 1st December and Winter was a day old! Well....? Full marks for making a clear and correct statement BRIAN. When will we have permission to start A winter is over thread?


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doctormog
05 January 2020 13:04:34


 


I find the trend in the models this morning encouraging. We've had chart after chart showing high pressure very close to our south and a predominately mild and, for the south, reasonably settled, period of weather. Now we have the high being pushed away a little and low pressure making more progress east and south. It could, of course, just revert to high pressure and mild but it could also be a signal for low pressure to move east. Still very mobile, so sustained cold seems unlikely.


In the meantime it looks potentially stormy with quite a lot of rain in prospect again.


http://www.weathercast.co.uk/services/ensemble-forecast.html


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Agreed and in the middle of all the mildness I feel the potential storminess is being somewhat overlooked. There will be some lovely weather around in the coming days.


As for winter is over on the fifth day of month 2? Perhaps in a month or month and a half.


The Beast from the East
05 January 2020 13:24:52

Winter never started anyway! Good riddance to be honest. Lets see if the block can position well enough to pump up a Spanish plume I want to see bikinis in the park


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Gandalf The White
05 January 2020 13:41:58


 


...And Brian? I thought when you said (back in November or end of November) something like to make the best of the colder snap as it could be the last one/only one of the winter' - that you were joking as it was only 1st December and Winter was a day old! Well....? Full marks for making a clear and correct statement BRIAN. When will we have permission to start A winter is over thread?


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


Try 1st March.


 


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nsrobins
05 January 2020 14:10:09


 


Try 1st March.


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


😂😂 Some people never learn.


Surely the time for analysis about winter is when winter is over - and for the record that’s 1st March.


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Col
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05 January 2020 14:17:42


 


😂😂 Some people never learn.


Surely the time for analysis about winter is when winter is over - and for the record that’s 1st March.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Except it wasn't in 2018 & 2013. Plenty of time for 'winter', whatever the calendar might say....


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Brian Gaze
05 January 2020 14:25:59

Good news for coldies. The first half of the Met Office 30 dayer has finally taken the plunge and gone over to the mild side. 


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David M Porter
05 January 2020 15:06:51


 


Try 1st March.


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



The meteorogical calendar says that is when spring begins, but as has been mentioned above there have been a couple of occasions in the last decade when wintry weather persisted beyond this date.


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Whether Idle
05 January 2020 15:17:42


 


Except it wasn't in 2018 & 2013. Plenty of time for 'winter', whatever the calendar might say....


Originally Posted by: Col 


WIO around  March 23rd this year. We are only 15 days into a 90 day stretch. 😃


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Gavin D
05 January 2020 16:39:12

Extended Autumn then into Spring bypassing winter 


 



doctormog
05 January 2020 16:51:24
The latest GFS op run has the Moray Firth’s t850hPa dropping from +10 to -5°C in 15 hours (Tuesday lunchtime to Wednesday morning). Summer to winter.
Brian Gaze
05 January 2020 16:53:26

GFS quickly files its response to the Met Office update. 



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