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JHutch
13 March 2020 18:58:37


 


I'd be interested to see an analysis in age categories. I suspect the young would downgrade the threat because any teenager thinks that they're immortal anyway; and the (very) old would also downgrade it because (a) they grew up in an era when the number of vaccines was minimal and antibiotics (except sulphonamide, of limited use) were not then developed (b) they've got used to the idea that they haven't many years left.


In the middle you have people with families to raise, businesses to run, experiences to realise etc etc and are justifiably worried about not being able to do these.


Originally Posted by: DEW 


Can see the age breakdown by clicking on the 'age' tab on the link below.


https://yougov.co.uk/topics/health/survey-results/daily/2020/03/13/1c756/1


The 18-24 year age group are the least likely to view it as a major threat by quite a long way (28% v 42% for 25-49 year olds) but they are the most likely to see it as a moderate threat and most likely to not give an answer. Only 2% think it is no threat at all. The over 65s are the most worried with 50% thinking it is a major threat and only 6% thinking it is a minimal threat. Not sure what very old would be, over 75 or 80?, but the age groups aren't broken down that far in this display.

Arcus
13 March 2020 19:03:15


 


The point remains valid if a vaccine takes 12 or 18 months.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Good luck rebuilding the economy after that length of time in lockdown!


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Polar Low
13 March 2020 19:03:48

Unlikely to cause a problem for developers I do wish people would read useful links


 



 


Except that we would be at a different point on the graph with more people having been infected.


I've seen several knowledgable people say a vaccine is realistically a year away, and that assumes what is developed works and is safe. The issue then is how do you gear up production to immunise the numbers involved?


Over 65s in the U.K. total around 12 million. worldwide it's over 600 million. Then add on other vulnerable people; maybe 20 million here and a billion worldwide? 


Then there's the unknown factor of mutation. Don't all Coronaviruses mutate?


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

JHutch
13 March 2020 19:05:18

Nadine Dorries' 84 year old mum has tested positive for coronavirus.

NickR
13 March 2020 19:11:04

10-minute self testing kit to be released next week for health professionals and public use within 3-weeks

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

">https://www.channel4.com/news/rapid-covid-19-self-testing-kit-set-for-uk-release


That would certainly help give more accurate figures.


EDIT: And enable much better containment.. if that's what the govt want.


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Brian Gaze
13 March 2020 19:14:12

10-minute self testing kit to be released next week for health professionals and public use within 3-weeks

https://www.channel4.com/news/rapid-covid-19-self-testing-kit-set-for-uk-release


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


That is excellent news.


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SJV
13 March 2020 19:14:28

Trump expected to declare national emergency. Stream here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_WM_pMp0Hg


 


edit: he's not at the podium yet. Probably taking a max dosage of cough suppressants or something.

Brian Gaze
13 March 2020 19:16:56


 


Good luck rebuilding the economy after that length of time in lockdown!


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


I dread to think the impact on the economy if we go for 60% infection in the next 12 to 18 months to get herd immunity. That's on top of the several hundred thousand body bags which will need processing.


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Arcus
13 March 2020 19:19:37


 


I suppose the question for those in a vulnerable group is how can I avoid getting it until a vaccine is available?


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


We've got to protect those groups until the virus is not being transmitted because we've got the level of herd immunity. That's the theory, anyway.


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Arcus
13 March 2020 19:28:01


 


That is excellent news.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Yes, absolutely vital that there's a reliable and easy test that's available to all IMO. 


The only issue I worry slightly about is there's been some limited evidence of recurrence (the virus raises it's head again in people that had got over it - sometimes being misreported as catching it again). We need to get some more data on that. 


 


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Gandalf The White
13 March 2020 19:29:59


Unlikely to cause a problem for developers I do wish people would read useful links


 


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


OK, thanks, I'll assume you are well informed.


I only raised it because the common cold is a coronavirus and a vaccine hasn't been created; I understood it was because the virus responsible keeps changing - which is also why we don't develop any immunity.


If this SARS variant is different that would be reassuring.


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Gandalf The White
13 March 2020 19:32:29

Trump has just started his latest briefing.  Full of the usual self-congratulatory guff.  "We're doing a tremendous job'


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Gavin D
13 March 2020 19:33:21
Breaking: National emergency declared in the USA
Chidog
13 March 2020 19:33:24


 


OK, thanks, I'll assume you are well informed.


I only raised it because the common cold is a coronavirus and a vaccine hasn't been created; I understood it was because the virus responsible keeps changing - which is also why we don't develop any immunity.


If this SARS variant is different that would be reassuring.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


There's no cold vaccine because its caused by at least 150 different strains of virus. You do become immune to a strain if you catch it which is why you get fewer colds generally as you get older, until your immune system starts to weaken

Brian Gaze
13 March 2020 19:33:45

Trump declares national emergency.


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Gandalf The White
13 March 2020 19:36:27


 


There's no cold vaccine because its caused by at least 150 different strains of virus. You do become immune to a strain if you catch it which is why you get fewer colds generally as you get older, until your immune system starts to weaken


Originally Posted by: Chidog 


Thanks


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Arcus
13 March 2020 19:37:00


 


OK, thanks, I'll assume you are well informed.


I only raised it because the common cold is a coronavirus and a vaccine hasn't been created; I understood it was because the virus responsible keeps changing - which is also why we don't develop any immunity.


If this SARS variant is different that would be reassuring.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


If you ask an expert on this they will say with regard to impact or likelihood on mutation - we just don't know.


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Heavy Weather 2013
13 March 2020 19:39:39


Trump declares national emergency.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


And were still on hand washing to happy birthday


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SJV
13 March 2020 19:39:52


Trump declares national emergency.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


He's way out of sorts.


 



 


And were still on hand washing to happy birthday


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I'd rather be in our position than theirs.

westv
13 March 2020 19:50:21

I've ordered two of these for my wife and me.


https://www.preppersshop.co.uk/british-army-nbc-suit-mk4---full-suit---sealed-9887-p.asp


 


 


At least it will be mild!
nsrobins
13 March 2020 19:53:12


Trump declares national emergency.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Arn’t the US already an international emergency ? :)


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Maunder Minimum
13 March 2020 20:00:08

Schengen? What Schengen?



  • Denmark: Bans all foreigners from entering without a valid purpose (such as residency or emergency family visit)

  • Poland: Foreigners banned from entering from Sunday

  • Czech Republic: Bans all foreigners from entering the country, except those with residence permits. Bans its own nationals from leaving

  • Slovakia: Closes borders to all foreigners except Poles and those with a residence permit

  • Austria: Closes three land border crossings with Italy to all foreigners, except those with a medical certificate issued within four days. No restriction on Austrian nationals

  • Ukraine: Closes border crossings to foreigners (except diplomats) for two weeks

  • Hungary: Closes land borders with Austria and Slovenia

  • Slovenia: Closes six border crossings with Italy. Bus and train travel suspended. Foreigners may only enter with a medical certificate issued within three days

  • Serbia: Closes border crossings with Romania, Bulgaria, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Croatia

  • Romania: Closes borders with Hungary, Ukraine, Bulgaria and Moldova

  • Albania: Closes borders with Montenegro, Kosovo and North Macedonia


New world order coming.
Ally Pally Snowman
13 March 2020 20:02:43


Schengen? What Schengen?



  • Denmark: Bans all foreigners from entering without a valid purpose (such as residency or emergency family visit)

  • Poland: Foreigners banned from entering from Sunday

  • Czech Republic: Bans all foreigners from entering the country, except those with residence permits. Bans its own nationals from leaving

  • Slovakia: Closes borders to all foreigners except Poles and those with a residence permit

  • Austria: Closes three land border crossings with Italy to all foreigners, except those with a medical certificate issued within four days. No restriction on Austrian nationals

  • Ukraine: Closes border crossings to foreigners (except diplomats) for two weeks

  • Hungary: Closes land borders with Austria and Slovenia

  • Slovenia: Closes six border crossings with Italy. Bus and train travel suspended. Foreigners may only enter with a medical certificate issued within three days

  • Serbia: Closes border crossings with Romania, Bulgaria, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Croatia

  • Romania: Closes borders with Hungary, Ukraine, Bulgaria and Moldova

  • Albania: Closes borders with Montenegro, Kosovo and North Macedonia


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 


Taking back control with out leaving  the EU.  Imagine that.


 


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springsunshine
13 March 2020 20:04:24


 


 


This is an aspect that hasn't really been discussed much.  We have wall-to-wall mainstream media coverage of this - and all kinds of half truths, manufactured garbage, misinterpretation  and the output of "wind-up merchants" on Social Media.


As bad as the situation may be about to get, it will be augmented by widespread panic and people demanding the emergency services for mild symptoms (the kind of thing they wouldn't  bat an eyelid at in normal circumstances).  Add to that psychosomatic illness, nervous breakdowns and high levels of stress.    Is  being "stressed out of your head"   going to affect you driving  ?    Are there going to be more accidents  becuase peoples minds are wandering elsewhere ?


This is a massive topic in its own right, aside from the core story of the unfolding pandemic.


To those of a nervous disposition, I would strongly advice avoiding threads like this one and  aspects of Social Media dealing  with  Coronavirus.  Also swerve the "wall-to-wall"  24-7  news coverage.  Keep up-to-date by visiting the official Govt.  pages periodically and get on with your life.  Go for a run or a walk or do a spot of gardening instead of  being glued to a doom laden screen.


To  be clear, I'm not trying to downplay   what is going on here but making yourself stressed only weakens your body's   defences and  serves no useful purpose.  For most people in reasonable health, personally,  this is likley to be a non event and getting stressed out is not going to  change the actuality one iota.


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


That Bugglesgate is the best post in this entire thread and spot on advise

Maunder Minimum
13 March 2020 20:06:10


 


 


Taking back control with out leaving  the EU.  Imagine that.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


The EU has already been bitching about these measures of course. But when the chips are down, people look to the nation state to defend them.


P.S. The amusing thing is that Brexiting UK does not have to do this, since everyone else is (apart from France and Germany so far that is).


New world order coming.
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