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Gandalf The White
14 March 2020 14:20:06


 


That's right, Gandalf - and in contrast we have a remarkable if overstretched NHS and related agencies ready to do what can be done. It's the potential aftermath that worries me - the economic impact long-term. It could be said that the rise of Nazism, WW2 and the EU were all related, at least in part, to the consequences of WW1 and Spanish Flu. I wonder what the legacy of this saga will be.


R.


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


I keep finding myself running through the words from Joni Mitchell’s Big Yellow Taxi, “You don’t know what you’ve got ‘til it’s gone.”


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Gandalf The White
14 March 2020 14:21:09


 


Dare I say herd mentality...


Originally Posted by: howham 


Hmm.... quite.


🙂


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Gavin D
14 March 2020 14:22:47
342 new cases in the UK in the 24hrs to 9am
Brian Gaze
14 March 2020 14:22:57


CMO Chris Whitty has said the ten who died "were in the at-risk groups"


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


All groups are at risk! It is simply that the risk is much higher in some groups than it is in others.


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Brian Gaze
14 March 2020 14:23:29

342 new cases in the UK in the 24hrs to 9am

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Ouch. 


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Heavy Weather 2013
14 March 2020 14:24:34


 


Hmm.... quite.


🙂


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I mean people have panic bought. The fact the death toll increases will amongst some sections of the population panic even more 


Mark
Beckton, E London
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Gavin D
14 March 2020 14:25:10
4,975 test results to 9am today with 342 testing positive
Heavy Weather 2013
14 March 2020 14:25:51


 


Haven't you been panicking for a while? 


The sad fact of the matter is quite a few more people will die even if you put everyone in “lockdown”.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


No I haven’t. I’ve been nervous and concerned. Panic isn’t a term I would use.


I am just starting to WFH and I have gone to the shops and stocked up on essentials. 


Mark
Beckton, E London
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Gooner
14 March 2020 14:27:16


 


All groups are at risk! It is simply that the risk is much higher in some groups than it is in others.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Bang on - fed up with hearing that 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Banbury
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Gooner
14 March 2020 14:28:27

342 new cases in the UK in the 24hrs to 9am

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


OMG 


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Justin W
14 March 2020 14:30:07
Doubling every two days now. We will be in Spain territory next week
Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
speckledjim
14 March 2020 14:31:02


 


OMG 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


We,re testing more and only in hospitals so the number is perfectly understandable 


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Gavin D
14 March 2020 14:31:27

The deaths are confimed at the following trusts



  • Barts Health NHS Trust - 2

  • Buckinghamshire Healthcare NHS Trust - 1

  • Sandwell & West Birmingham Hospitals NHS Trust - 1

  • Royal Wolverhampton NHS Trust - 1

  • University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust - 1

  • St George’s University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - 1

  • North Middlesex University Hospital NHS Trust - 1

  • London North West University - 1

  • Countess of Chester Hospital Healthcare NHS Trust - 1


All deaths were patients in the "at-risk groups"

Justin W
14 March 2020 14:32:08


 


We,re testing more and only in hospitals so the number is perfectly understandable 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


You can play it down a bit but it does give some indication of the percentage growth rate. If it continues like this, we will be in trouble in a fortnight.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
doctormog
14 March 2020 14:32:33


 


Bang on - fed up with hearing that 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


In the same way as we are all “at risk” from any disease you mean. The term is valid and is being used appropriately. The word “most” is understood (by the majority of people) without having to be stated each time.


Heavy Weather 2013
14 March 2020 14:32:57


The deaths are confimed at the following trusts



  • Barts Health NHS Trust - 2

  • Buckinghamshire Healthcare NHS Trust - 1

  • Sandwell & West Birmingham Hospitals NHS Trust - 1

  • Royal Wolverhampton NHS Trust - 1

  • University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust - 1

  • St George’s University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - 1

  • North Middlesex University Hospital NHS Trust - 1

  • London North West University - 1

  • Countess of Chester Hospital Healthcare NHS Trust - 1


All deaths were patients in the "at-risk groups"


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Have they released case breakdown yet in regions. 


Mark
Beckton, E London
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Brian Gaze
14 March 2020 14:32:59


 


You can play it down a bit but it does give some indication of the percentage growth rate. If it continues like this, we will be in trouble in a fortnight.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


I read the government is meeting this afternoon. Perhaps we will get a lock-down of sorts after all?


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xioni2
14 March 2020 14:33:33


 You can play it down a bit but it does give some indication of the percentage growth rate. If it continues like this, we will be in trouble in a fortnight.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Yes, April will probably be a horrible month.

Gooner
14 March 2020 14:33:46


 


You can play it down a bit but it does give some indication of the percentage growth rate. If it continues like this, we will be in trouble in a fortnight.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


I agree J - i'm still of the opinion Boris has got this wrong , but we will see 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Brian Gaze
14 March 2020 14:34:25

'They're treating us like children': Health expert's warning over Boris Johnson's coronavirus response


..


His comments echoed those of Richard Horton, chief editor of the Lancet medical journal, who accused the government of “playing roulette with the public”.


 


https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/coronavirus-health-expert-government-response-085805630.html


 


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Gooner
14 March 2020 14:35:36


 


I read the government is meeting this afternoon. Perhaps we will get a lock-down of sorts after all?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I've just come off the phone from my Mum and said the same thing , I can see that being the only solution IMO 


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xioni2
14 March 2020 14:35:40

It got lost in the avalanche of posts, I am reposting it:


A piece by a virologist criticising the apparent strategy of HMG


 https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-can-herd-immunity-really-protect-us-133583


 Achieving herd immunity would require well over 47 million people to be infected in the UK. Current estimates are that COVID-19 has a 2.3% case-fatality rate and a 19% rate of severe disease. This means that achieving herd immunity to COVID-19 in the UK could result in the deaths of more a million people with a further eight million severe infections requiring critical care.


 A delay strategy when combined with surveillance and containment, as recommended by the WHO, could be very effective in combating the spread of COVID-19. Yet if we slow the spread of the virus but are relying on herd immunity to protect the most vulnerable people, we would still need 47 million people to be infected.


 Even if we manage to protect the most vulnerable people (though no discussion is provided on how this will be done or for how long) the fatality rate for the otherwise healthy portion of the population may still be 0.5% or higher. This means that even in this unlikely “best case” scenario we would still be looking at more than 236,000 deaths.


 We can and we must do better than that. China is rapidly controlling the spread of COVID-19 without requiring herd immunity (only 0.0056% of its population has been infected). Waiting for herd immunity to COVID-19 to develop in the UK by letting the virus “pass through the community” is not a good public health strategy.

Gavin D
14 March 2020 14:35:46


 


Have they released case breakdown yet in regions. 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


 


That will be updated later in the day

Brian Gaze
14 March 2020 14:35:52

If the government isn't doing everything possible to save lives it means they must have put a £ price on each life in their model/s. I wonder what that price is? 


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Heavy Weather 2013
14 March 2020 14:37:06


If the government isn't doing everything possible to save lives it means they must have put a £ price on each life in their model/s. I wonder what that price is? 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


This has Dominic Cummings written all over it.


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