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springsunshine
23 March 2020 21:45:10

The question I ask is are these lockdown actually reducing the numbers or stopping the spread as everyday we see the numbers rising everywhere especially Italy,spain and they will here despite tonights announcement.

Roger Parsons
23 March 2020 21:45:35


"Lockdown" imminent? Tomorrow? Closure of Parliament by end of week for early Easter break for MPs to be in their constituencies? Cobra meetings to continue - possibly digitally? Keep washing your hands? Just rambling....


Roger


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


Only 2/5 - but not too bad.


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Quantum
23 March 2020 21:45:46


 


You are right in your sentiment of course, but we obviously don't have the armed forces for anything like it.


As for tanks we have 225, little Greece has 1,345 tanks.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I'd expect they'd use GPS phone data and concentrate on 'problem areas'


Anyway it is inevitable they will bring in the millitary if people don't comply.


 

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
xioni2
23 March 2020 21:45:59


 My main gripe with the Government, has not been with the way they have gradually ratcheted up the measures at home, but that they refused to use border controls to prevent the virus gaining such a strong foothold in the first place. Why would it have hurt them to advise against going skiing a few weeks ago at half-term? - that might have halved the current incidence of the disease for all we know. Why not insist that everyone (whether a citizen or a foreign visitor) should have to go through mandatory testing and at least a 7 day quarantine on arrival, even if returning from a holiday? Such measures would have made a difference to the overall penetration and spread of the virus. Plus, Liverpool appears to have dodged a very dangerous bullet with Atletico Madrid - I can only surmise that the Spanish supporters largely kept themselves to themselves - but, given that Madrid is a hot cluster for the virus, I would bet there was a lot of cross infection amongst the Spanish supporters themselves during that visit and flights.


 

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I'll go on to book my psychotherapy session now, but yeah - agreed! As for Liverpool (and allowing for our slow testing regime) I wouldn't be confident yet that it dodged the bullet.


 

David M Porter
23 March 2020 21:46:09


 


My main gripe with the Government, has not been with the way they have gradually ratcheted up the measures at home, but that they refused to use border controls to prevent the virus gaining such a strong foothold in the first place. Why would it have hurt them to advise against going skiing a few weeks ago at half-term? - that might have halved the current incidence of the disease for all we know. Why not insist that everyone (whether a citizen or a foreign visitor) should have to go through mandatory testing and at least a 7 day quarantine on arrival, even if returning from a holiday? Such measures would have made a difference to the overall penetration and spread of the virus. Plus, Liverpool appears to have dodged a very dangerous bullet with Atletico Madrid - I can only surmise that the Spanish supporters largely kept themselves to themselves - but, given that Madrid is a hot cluster for the virus, I would bet there was a lot of cross infection amongst the Spanish supporters themselves during that visit and flights.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 



My thoughts too. The opportunity to at least limit the spread of the virus in the UK was available to the government two months ago before the first case of COVID-19 had even been confirmed in England, but alas it wasn't taken.


The government IMO was at least a month too late in announcing any real measures to try to get to grips with this virus.

Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Quantum
23 March 2020 21:47:01


The question I ask is are these lockdown actually reducing the numbers or stopping the spread as everyday we see the numbers rising everywhere especially Italy,spain and they will here despite tonights announcement.


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


There will be a lag of around 10-14 days.


Also spread will continue in hospitals, supermarkets, e.c.t.


 

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
xioni2
23 March 2020 21:47:43


 I'd expect they'd use GPS phone data and concentrate on 'problem areas'


 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


We can use drones and hellfire missiles for hotspots.



 

Heavy Weather 2013
23 March 2020 21:47:44
We have just had an email from the CFO to ensure that all budgets are cut as far as possible and other measures may be considered.

This all seriously worrying.

I do fear that there could well be cascade effect. Could we have total economic collapse?
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Quantum
23 March 2020 21:48:15


 


My main gripe with the Government, has not been with the way they have gradually ratcheted up the measures at home, but that they refused to use border controls to prevent the virus gaining such a strong foothold in the first place. Why would it have hurt them to advise against going skiing a few weeks ago at half-term? - that might have halved the current incidence of the disease for all we know. Why not insist that everyone (whether a citizen or a foreign visitor) should have to go through mandatory testing and at least a 7 day quarantine on arrival, even if returning from a holiday? Such measures would have made a difference to the overall penetration and spread of the virus. Plus, Liverpool appears to have dodged a very dangerous bullet with Atletico Madrid - I can only surmise that the Spanish supporters largely kept themselves to themselves - but, given that Madrid is a hot cluster for the virus, I would bet there was a lot of cross infection amongst the Spanish supporters themselves during that visit and flights.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I agree, back then noone took it seriously. I suspect the government thought it would stay in China or just be like bird flu.


 

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Bugglesgate
23 March 2020 21:48:49


The question I ask is are these lockdown actually reducing the numbers or stopping the spread as everyday we see the numbers rising everywhere especially Italy,spain and they will here despite tonights announcement.


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


 


Reducing social interaction is bound to slow the spread of the wretched thing.   Nobody  is talking about stopping it  using these methods just slowing it enough to prevent  a lot of death - both of old people and of others that can't access a crippled NHS.  What would the rate of growth be like in Spain "et-al" without them ?  is  the more valid question.


 

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llamedos
23 March 2020 21:49:07

I assume that while recycling centers will be closed, refuse collections will not be impacted??

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xioni2
23 March 2020 21:49:47

We have just had an email from the CFO to ensure that all budgets are cut as far as possible and other measures may be considered.

This all seriously worrying.

I do fear that there could well be cascade effect. Could we have total economic collapse?

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I think the economic fallout will be significant and for many people bigger than the impact from the virus. However the govt seems determined to help people and businesses and I think and hope they will take more measures.

Gavin D
23 March 2020 21:53:59

£30 fine for breaking the rules


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xioni2
23 March 2020 21:56:09


There will be a lag of around 10-14 days.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


It's probably even longer. In Italy on average the dead spend 8 days in hospital, if you allow around 5 days for symptoms to appear and a few days to escalate to pneumonia, you have a lag longer than 2 weeks. Essentially what the govt is doing today, impacts the hospitals 1.5-2 weeks later and the number of deaths ~3 weeks later. 


Italy has just passed 2 weeks of lockdown, so it will be interesting to see if things start turning properly by this time next week.

Darren S
23 March 2020 21:56:10

I compared the figures by NHS region with those from 5 days ago.


As you can see, the virus is spreading fastest in the Midlands, and slowest in the South East. My local authority, Wokingham, has been stuck at 13 cases for a few days now.


London - 2,433 (+1480, +155%)
Midlands - 808 (+574, +245%)
South East - 590 (+305, +107%)
North West - 496 (+316, +175%)
North East and Yorkshire - 446 (+278, +165%)
East of England - 351 (+223, +174%)
South West - 278 (+161, +137%)

Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
nsrobins
23 March 2020 21:56:38

What about those country hotels with bars and restaurants.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


What hotels? There shouldn’t be any hotels open now unless for essential workers.

Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
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Heavy Weather 2013
23 March 2020 21:56:53
I can confirm hotels are included and have been instructed to close.

Construction sites are not listed or included.

However that could fall could of public gatherings of two or more people
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Heavy Weather 2013
23 March 2020 21:58:34


 


What hotels? There shouldn’t be any hotels open now unless for essential workers.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Just checked the official list and your quite correct this has been listed.

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Brian Gaze
23 March 2020 21:59:13

According to this in (yes I know) the Fail, Germany can test about 23,000 people per day:


Why is Germany's coronavirus death rate so low? Berlin claims infection curve is flattening amid claims combination of young patients, more intensive care beds and determination to 'find every case' is behind unusual figures


The top German health institute says the country can carry out around 160,000 tests per week, according to German media.  


 


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8141929/Why-Germanys-coronavirus-death-rate-low.html

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xioni2
23 March 2020 22:00:10


I compared the figures by NHS region with those from 5 days ago.


As you can see, the virus is spreading fastest in the Midlands, and slowest in the South East. My local authority, Wokingham, has been stuck at 13 cases for a few days now.


London - 2,433 (+1480, +155%)
Midlands - 808 (+574, +245%)
South East - 590 (+305, +107%)
North West - 496 (+316, +175%)
North East and Yorkshire - 446 (+278, +165%)
East of England - 351 (+223, +174%)
South West - 278 (+161, +137%)


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Very interesting, is that in west midlands and could there be a cultural/religious factor? (bigger and more extended Muslim families living in the same household etc.)

Heavy Weather 2013
23 March 2020 22:03:11


I compared the figures by NHS region with those from 5 days ago.


As you can see, the virus is spreading fastest in the Midlands, and slowest in the South East. My local authority, Wokingham, has been stuck at 13 cases for a few days now.


London - 2,433 (+1480, +155%)
Midlands - 808 (+574, +245%)
South East - 590 (+305, +107%)
North West - 496 (+316, +175%)
North East and Yorkshire - 446 (+278, +165%)
East of England - 351 (+223, +174%)
South West - 278 (+161, +137%)


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Midlands now turning into a hotspot.


These % increases show that we just in the acceleration phase and it’s likely with the lag effect that deaths this week will go up.


 

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Saint Snow
23 March 2020 22:04:33


 


We don't have enough tanks or military to staff checkpoints. We have no national guard to call up. We have to do this by ourselves.


Originally Posted by: RobN 


We have Brigadier-General Field Marshal Mark Francois. He's a one-man army in himself.


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xioni2
23 March 2020 22:05:41


 We have Brigadier-General Field Marshal Mark Francois. He's a one-man army in himself.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


They tried to 3d print him, but the printer lacked such fine resolution.

JHutch
23 March 2020 22:07:16


 


Very interesting, is that in west midlands and could there be a cultural/religious factor? 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I think Maunder has talked about the number of cases in the West Midlands conurbation before but in the 'top 10' someone put up earlier i saw that Birmingham was suddenly near the top where it was just London/Hants/Herts a few days ago. Cumbria had appeared at number 10 too.


The map in the New Statesman article below shows the number of cases per area along withe average infection rate per 100,000 people.


https://www.newstatesman.com/2020/03/live-data-coronavirus-crisis-all-you-need-know

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