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Gooner
24 March 2020 13:53:26

Bloody Texts from The Government are playing havoc here , telling people you must stay at home now we have a load of disinterested people Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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John p
24 March 2020 13:54:14

China have reported 78 new confirmed cases, 7 new deaths (all in Hubei) and 35 new suspected cases.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Am i right in saying their numbers are on the rise again?


Camberley, Surrey
llamedos
24 March 2020 13:54:22

I've not ventured out ......does anyone know what the state of the supermarkets is today? 


"Life with the Lions"

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John p
24 March 2020 13:56:35

Listen to this daft woman and then fume.  This country....


https://twitter.com/lilliemaenot/status/1242410885236260864?s=21


Camberley, Surrey
Gooner
24 March 2020 13:56:50


I've not ventured out ......does anyone know what the state of the supermarkets is today? 


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


Sainsbury's in Banbury - freezer section only 50% - canned products virtually 0 - probably 50% bread left 


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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RobN
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24 March 2020 13:56:59


 


The modelling is likely to be unreliable. There is no precedent, the data is limited  and there are  many unknowns. 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Consider the uncertainties and track record of economic and weather forecasting. And double it.


Rob
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Chidog
24 March 2020 13:58:02
If the Chinese figures were completely kosher, wouldn't you expect the latest deaths to be more spread out rather than 'all in Hubei?' Given that most cases are now imported and Hubei has been locked down for ages
Phil G
24 March 2020 13:59:53


Bloody Texts from The Government are playing havoc here , telling people you must stay at home


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


But the BBC just said half an hour ago in a Q&A you can get in your car, drive for an hour, have a run on your own and come home again. So what are these cars going to run on, fumes!


It will mean stopping at garages and risk spreading/receiving the disease. Beggars belief really. Just heard where I live is busy in the town. WTF!


 

Gooner
24 March 2020 14:00:39


Listen to this daft woman and then fume.  This country....


https://twitter.com/lilliemaenot/status/1242410885236260864?s=21


Originally Posted by: John p 



Comical 


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


nouska
24 March 2020 14:06:18

This will be of interest to Maunder.


 


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e3.htm?s_cid=mm6912e3_w


(...)


 


Cruise ships are often settings for outbreaks of infectious diseases because of their closed environment, contact between travelers from many countries, and crew transfers between ships. On the Diamond Princess, transmission largely occurred among passengers before quarantine was implemented, whereas crew infections peaked after quarantine (6). On the Grand Princess, crew members were likely infected on voyage A and then transmitted SARS-CoV-2 to passengers on voyage B. The results of testing of passengers and crew on board the Diamond Princess demonstrated a high proportion (46.5%) of asymptomatic infections at the time of testing. Available statistical models of the Diamond Princess outbreak suggest that 17.9% of infected persons never developed symptoms (9). A high proportion of asymptomatic infections could partially explain the high attack rate among cruise ship passengers and crew. SARS-CoV-2 RNA was identified on a variety of surfaces in cabins of both symptomatic and asymptomatic infected passengers up to 17 days after cabins were vacated on the Diamond Princess but before disinfection procedures had been conducted (Takuya Yamagishi, National Institute of Infectious Diseases, personal communication, 2020). Although these data cannot be used to determine whether transmission occurred from contaminated surfaces, further study of fomite transmission of SARS-CoV-2 aboard cruise ships is warranted.


(...)

Brian Gaze
24 March 2020 14:11:26
Scotland and Wales both suggest UK deaths could be down today. Fingers crossed. If that's the case it would make the outlook even more uncertain.
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Gooner
24 March 2020 14:14:59

Scotland and Wales both suggest UK deaths could be down today. Fingers crossed. If that's the case it would make the outlook even more uncertain.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I'm not sure Brian , I'd never expect huge daily numbers from those anyway  , of course as we've discussed really depends on the amount of testing that is taking place 


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Brian Gaze
24 March 2020 14:16:29


 


I'm not sure Brian , I'd never expect huge daily numbers from those anyway  , of course as we've discussed really depends on the amount of testing that is taking place 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I think we could be down to around 40 today. We were supposed to be approaching 100 or more by now. We'll see and obviously I could be completely wrong. 


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xioni2
24 March 2020 14:17:24

If the Chinese figures were completely kosher, wouldn't you expect the latest deaths to be more spread out rather than 'all in Hubei?' Given that most cases are now imported and Hubei has been locked down for ages

Originally Posted by: Chidog 


I think it's only been a few days without new infections in Hubei, so you'd expect some more deaths in the next 2-3 weeks? 

Gandalf The White
24 March 2020 14:19:03


 



Comical 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I thought it was depressing. No amount of pronouncements from the government can alter someone's mind if they can believe "if we're going to get it, we're going to get it."


Wilful stupidity.


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Saint Snow
24 March 2020 14:19:32


Coronavirus: US may become global epicentre of COVID-19 outbreak, says World Health Organization




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 The US has the potential to become the new global epicentre of the coronavirus pandemic, according to the World Health Organization. More than 46,000 cases and 530 deaths have so far been reported in America, with more than 20,000 in New York state alone. A spokeswoman for the World Health Organization (WHO) said the country could soon see a surge akin to those experienced across Europe.


Earlier, US President Donald Trump admitted his government was experiencing difficulties in securing lifesaving medical equipment. He tweeted: "The World market for face masks and ventilators is Crazy. We are helping the states to get equipment, but it is not easy." In New York - one of the world's biggest virus hotspots - authorities rushed to set up thousands of hospital beds they will need to protect the city's 8.4 million people. More than 12,000 people have tested positive in the city and 125 have died, with a state-wide lockdown taking effect since Monday. 





https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-spains-death-toll-rises-by-514-in-one-day-to-2-696-11962778



Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


 


Cue a Twitter frenzy from the orange sex pest. 



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Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 14:20:22


This will be of interest to Maunder.


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e3.htm?s_cid=mm6912e3_w


Originally Posted by: nouska 


Thanks - that issue about 17 days resilience of the virus in cabins is stark.


The WHO should have recommended that all cruises in the Far East be suspended in early January and everywhere by February.


 


New world order coming.
xioni2
24 March 2020 14:22:12

 


Cue a Twitter frenzy from the orange sex pest. 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Fortunately the US States still have plenty of sovereignty, so what the clown in the WH says or does can be less lethal.

Saint Snow
24 March 2020 14:25:28


Listen to this daft woman and then fume.  This country....


https://twitter.com/lilliemaenot/status/1242410885236260864?s=21


Originally Posted by: John p 


 


The following comment sums it up:


"When I was younger I genuinely believed more in people but these last few years man... Have the arseholes just got louder or are there more of them?"


 


 



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Gandalf The White
24 March 2020 14:28:18


 


Thanks - that issue about 17 days resilience of the virus in cabins is stark.


The WHO should have recommended that all cruises in the Far East be suspended in early January and everywhere by February.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Difficult as they didn't know there was a problem with cruise ships until early February.


The CDC reacted quite quickly once the evidence emerged:


"On February 21, CDC recommended avoiding travel on cruise ships in Southeast Asia; on March 8, this recommendation was broadened to include deferring all cruise ship travel worldwide for those with underlying health conditions and for persons aged ≥65 years."


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Saint Snow
24 March 2020 14:28:35


I don't know how you folks find time to read and respond to the multitude of posts on this thread or hope to do them justice. It's a torrent of facts and opinions, but in such a tsunami of information that all kinds of things can be [and are] missed. I admire you, but I can't keep up with you. 


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


 


A  similar story with me. I've given up trying to catch up with 10+ pages of discussion. I'll skim the last couple and respond to any that pique my interest. 


Anyway, good luck, Roger. Stay safe.



Martin
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Saint Snow
24 March 2020 14:30:44

A friend's just messaged me to say his family break to Centre Parcs at Easter has been cancelled, but he's going to recreate the magic by having his kids cycle round and round the garden, whilst he sits there burning £20 notes.



Martin
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A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
warrenb
24 March 2020 14:35:09


A friend's just messaged me to say his family break to Centre Parcs at Easter has been cancelled, but he's going to recreate the magic by having his kids cycle round and round the garden, whilst he sits there burning £20 notes.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


To really make it really authentic he could sit in a paddling pool.


Saint Snow
24 March 2020 14:36:22


This will be of interest to Maunder.


 


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e3.htm?s_cid=mm6912e3_w


(...)


 


Cruise ships are often settings for outbreaks of infectious diseases because of their closed environment, contact between travelers from many countries, and crew transfers between ships. On the Diamond Princess, transmission largely occurred among passengers before quarantine was implemented, whereas crew infections peaked after quarantine (6). On the Grand Princess, crew members were likely infected on voyage A and then transmitted SARS-CoV-2 to passengers on voyage B. The results of testing of passengers and crew on board the Diamond Princess demonstrated a high proportion (46.5%) of asymptomatic infections at the time of testing. Available statistical models of the Diamond Princess outbreak suggest that 17.9% of infected persons never developed symptoms (9). A high proportion of asymptomatic infections could partially explain the high attack rate among cruise ship passengers and crew. SARS-CoV-2 RNA was identified on a variety of surfaces in cabins of both symptomatic and asymptomatic infected passengers up to 17 days after cabins were vacated on the Diamond Princess but before disinfection procedures had been conducted (Takuya Yamagishi, National Institute of Infectious Diseases, personal communication, 2020). Although these data cannot be used to determine whether transmission occurred from contaminated surfaces, further study of fomite transmission of SARS-CoV-2 aboard cruise ships is warranted.


(...)


Originally Posted by: nouska 


 


Some fascinating snippets of extremely useful info there. I'm especially intrigued that 46.5% of infections on the Diamond Princess were asymptomatic - remarkable given the age demographics (as far as I've read), and almost a fifth experienced no symptoms whatsoever. 


This virus is still bewildering in how it affects different people so differently. 



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Saint Snow
24 March 2020 14:37:23


 


To really make it really authentic he could sit in a paddling pool.


Originally Posted by: warrenb 


 



(but still burning twenties...)



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan

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