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John p
11 April 2020 08:34:45
I hope after this, there will be a move to bring manufacturing of certain goods back to this country - primarily those relating to public health emergencies.
Camberley, Surrey
speckledjim
11 April 2020 08:48:23

Good to see the MSM addressing some of the points I raised yesterday evening.

Why care homes are the scandal among scandals during the Pandemic:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-why-care-homes-are-the-scandal-among-scandals-during-this-pandemic-11971795

Government must be 'completely honest' about COVID-19 deaths because 'we really don't know the full picture':

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-deaths-will-almost-certainly-pass-10-000-this-weekend-11971793

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I had thought that the government does now include figures for care home deaths but it is only available weekly as that is when the ONS release them. The figures are delayed due to how long it takes to get the registered death certificates. We got figures of 20 last Tuesday which was for w/e 27/03. However, it does not feel like that figure (20) is entirely accurate so I expect that is due to the lack of testing.

Thorner, West Yorkshire


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David M Porter
11 April 2020 09:12:33


After reading the posts above I cannot disagree with the comments regarding our present situation. My frustration and anger is that this was seen coming, you only have to look at when this thread was started to see when members realised something was happening.


If the government had just bought some of the kit as a precaution back in December/January and made some limited restrictions on flights we would not be in this situation. 
The above actions would not of destroyed the economy. I know these points have been made several times already but surely you would think that when you reach the pinnacle of high office this would be a case of common sense.


I know we don’t live in a utopian society and I suppose Trump is a clear reminder of that.


Originally Posted by: roadrunnerajn 


Good post.

Lenzie, Glasgow

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Joe Bloggs
11 April 2020 09:36:27

https://www.facebook.com/399471847160798/posts/918860421888602/?d=n


This makes me a tad emotional. We are genuinely living in a history book at the moment. 


Last year I was at a beer festival in that building. Never in my wildest dreams would I have ever imagined it would end up being an emergency hospital.


Probably rather poignant for the Tory Government too given it’s where they have held many of their conferences - indeed it’s where Theresa May had her speech from hell. 


Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL
Brian Gaze
11 April 2020 09:37:02

Do we have any international data on hospital admissions / ICU. In particular I would like to know:


1) Average length of hospital stay by country


2) Average length of ICU stay by country


3) Mortality rate of those admitted to ICU by country


4) Patient data (e.g. average age, sex, underlying health conditions) of ICU patients by country


 


 

Brian Gaze
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Roger Parsons
11 April 2020 09:57:09


Quite rightly there was a highly critical response from the healthcare people at that ill-judged comment.  Pretty poor judgement TBH.


Maybe Hancock could be escorted into a COVID-19 ward without full protective gear so he gets a proper grasp of the fear involved.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



He does need to sidestep the advisors who feed him this stuff and find out the situation for himself, Gandalf. Surely he can't just have invented it, can he? The best thing he could do now is go straight to a selection of informed complainers and dig out the details. If he has tried this, try a bit harder, and then "kick some ass" to make things happen. The important thing is to get the equipment flowing. If he can't manage that it will be time for a change of management.


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fairweather
11 April 2020 10:05:44


 
 
There really is no hope, is there ?
 
It's difficult to understand how someone could have got to that age, and into high office  yet still managed to maintain such an unblemished level of total ignorance over such an incredibly wide array of topics.
 



 



 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


Sadly there is hope for him because I assume 50% of Americans are as stupid as him - the bookies still have him favourite to be next President at evens. Biden 5/4. 

S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
11 April 2020 10:08:20


 


Quite rightly there was a highly critical response from the healthcare people at that ill-judged comment.  Pretty poor judgement TBH.


Maybe Hancock could be escorted into a COVID-19 ward without full protective gear so he gets a proper grasp of the fear involved.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


You're forgetting he's probably immune himself now!

S.Essex, 42m ASL
DEW
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11 April 2020 10:11:35


The worry is real as are the reasons for the worry, but the problem is the scale of the challenge is monumental and unprecedented. However there is no choice but to give it an unprecedented response along with everything else that is being done. It may be incredible but because of continual demand it is almost certainly never going to be 100% enough.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Even given (or perhaps because of) the scale of the problem, I feel that someone should take Hancock to a good dictionary, and get him to look up the difference between 'plan' and 'action'

War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

Chichester 12m asl
Joe Bloggs
11 April 2020 10:13:17

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52243209


Oh dear :D 


 


Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL
fairweather
11 April 2020 10:13:59


 


I don’t disagree with this. As we know this is unprecedented. I think the government should spell this out. Ironically, I’d much rather hear the hard truth of where we are than sound bites and platitudes which we seem to get at these podiums each day. 


I think this where I let my frustrations get the better of me. Sometimes a rosier picture is painted than the reality. I’ve always though honesty is the best policy - however hard that is to take


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I agree. But you risk being accused of negativity, on here and elsewhere. But I still maintain that "pulling together" should include holding people to account. People's defence is often "hindsight is a wonderful thing" - well it can be if you are prepared to learn from it.

S.Essex, 42m ASL
Brian Gaze
11 April 2020 10:14:41

Matt Hancock told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that there was enough personal protective equipment to go around if it was used in line with guidance.


"I don't want to impugn blame on people who have used more PPE than the guidelines suggest because I understand the difficulties in the circumstances," he said.


"What I would say it is very important to use the right PPE and not overuse it."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52252981


Presumably he means the UK guidelines and not the more stringent WHO ones. As far as I'm concerned Hancock has shown himself to be a cretin again. 

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fairweather
11 April 2020 10:16:35


 


 Yes but there are Pallet freight companies at a standstill due to lack of work so if it is transport logistics  why is not every freight company being contacted to see if they can help. I also think a lot of companies with the ability to tool up to make masks , visors , gloves e.t.c were not asked to help sooner.Once you are behind in a situation like this you are going to really struggle to keep up.


Originally Posted by: bledur 


It shouldn't even be a question of asked. If they can do it they should and if they refuse they should be "seconded" by the government.

S.Essex, 42m ASL
Rob K
11 April 2020 10:21:16


 


But a dead cert to be re-elected. He brilliantly uses these daily briefings to spend 2 hours trolling the liberal media and talking up the country. He tells lies but that doesn't seem to matter anymore!


"Sleepy Joe"  is nowhere to be seen and allegedly dementing 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Yes the right wing seem to have realised that nobody cares about lies (or at least not enough people to count in the polls), as long as you tell the thick majority what they want to hear. It’s profoundly depressing. 

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fairweather
11 April 2020 10:22:54


 


Yes, but a very popular one! The plebs love him because he "tells it straight" 


People love being lied to by a populist comedian and given an easy target to blame their problems on. Why Boris is so popular and why Brexit happened!


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Exactly that and it's not going to change. Whilst I wish Boris well and it looks like he will recover ok, whether he wants it or not, (and unless the illness has humbled him, he probably does) he will be made a public hero who took one for team UK and fought off the nasty virus. PM, job for life!

S.Essex, 42m ASL
The Beast from the East
11 April 2020 10:23:28

"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Caz
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11 April 2020 10:24:44


 


 Yes but there are Pallet freight companies at a standstill due to lack of work so if it is transport logistics  why is not every freight company being contacted to see if they can help. I also think a lot of companies with the ability to tool up to make masks , visors , gloves e.t.c were not asked to help sooner.Once you are behind in a situation like this you are going to really struggle to keep up.


Originally Posted by: bledur 

I work for a print company that diversified into making visors for the NHS, when one of our directors realised we had the capability.  However, logistically it hasn’t been straight forward.  It took us almost two weeks to get into full production and optimise workflow, mainly due to securing a sufficient supply of materials, as well as making the necessary changes on the shop floor to ensure staff can work within social distancing.


I’m working from home and we have an additional night shift on, so we’re working flat out, including over Easter.  Our design and production plans have been shared with other companies and I’m sure many others will have diversified into making PPE but unfortunately, changing to a different product doesn’t happen overnight.  

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The Beast from the East
11 April 2020 10:25:16

Nurses in S Korea and the stuff given to ours. But Hey, the Sun newspaper front page is about a love message from Carrie to Boris, so who cares?


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"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
The Beast from the East
11 April 2020 10:29:15

Never mind nearly 2000 people have died in the past 48 hours thanks to his complaceny


British journalism at its finest 


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"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Gooner
11 April 2020 10:35:33


Matt Hancock told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that there was enough personal protective equipment to go around if it was used in line with guidance.


"I don't want to impugn blame on people who have used more PPE than the guidelines suggest because I understand the difficulties in the circumstances," he said.


"What I would say it is very important to use the right PPE and not overuse it."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52252981


Presumably he means the UK guidelines and not the more stringent WHO ones. As far as I'm concerned Hancock has shown himself to be a cretin again. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


He is a twit


That's like telling a bloke going into a gunfight " you got one bullet , no more " 

Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Gooner
11 April 2020 10:38:22


 


You're forgetting he's probably immune himself now!


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Why ?


That's not been proven has it?

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North Oxfordshire
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llamedos
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11 April 2020 10:40:32


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52243209


Oh dear :D 


 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

I'm sure I read a few days ago that there had been reports of security issues with Zoom which were strongly denied by the company at the time?

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speckledjim
11 April 2020 10:45:41


I'm sure I read a few days ago that there had been reports of security issues with Zoom which were strongly denied by the company at the time?


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


Zoom is perfectly secure but if you allow anyone to join your meeting then you are asking for trouble.

Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
doctormog
11 April 2020 10:46:49


 


Why ?


That's not been proven has it?


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


It is highly likely he will be for a period of time at least.

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
Saint Snow
11 April 2020 10:49:00


Nurses in S Korea and the stuff given to ours. But Hey, the Sun newspaper front page is about a love message from Carrie to Boris, so who cares?


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Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 


Disgraceful.


SK had as much notice as we did, yet have been able to produce enough proper PPE for its healthcare workers.


And enacted a successful track & test programme.


With the right political will - and, of course, political capability - we could gave been prepared. 


 


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