Corona virus 13th April 2020· Page 4

Gooner
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13 April 2020 12:03:48

My wife and I certainly won't be reinstating international holidays this summer. In all honesty I doubt whether we will risk going anywhere in the UK either.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze

Agreed - explained to the children NO holidays this year I'm afraid

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JHutch
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13 April 2020 12:07:05

#77

After today's exercise walk I have come to the conclusion that the MAJORITY of runners are just a bunch of people who wish to meet you on a Tuesday and the only social spacing is clearly between their ears. Today I witnessed runners forcing people into hedges, crossing single track bridges with families already crossing them and on one occasion actually kicking a dog out of their way. I am fed up with it to be honest, and I along with a few others started shouting at them. Saying that they can't hear you as the majority have their headphones on.

Originally Posted by: warrenb

Sorry to hear that . Did someone really kick a dog? Think it has been better round here but i only go out late in the evening in places where the pavement is wide, or i can run around the common. With there being so little traffic it is fairly easy to just run down the road most of the time. TBH a lot of the people i have seen out are relatively young and seem relatively relaxed. Have had two people say something to me, one person complained i wasnt two metres away from him but he had continued walking down the middle of the pavement as i approached while i was right on the outside. The other one checked their phone as i went past and staggered sideways towards me, then started shouting at me. I think both don't seem to realise that it isnt the sole responsibilty of the other person to be 2 metres away but that you both have to do your bit.

Its not like people are even on a vital training session ahead of their main race in a week's time which could tempt you to be a bit more self-focussed than you should be. I think that running races will take a long time to start up again. My marathon has been rearranged to be in October but a marathon involves getting many thousands of people from around the country into a small area (at least in the early stages) where they will be breathing heavily. That doesn't sound like the kind of activity which will be in one of the first phases of the release from lockdown.

doctormog
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13 April 2020 12:07:46

#78

Is this the same WHO that said face masks were not worth wearing for most people?

Originally Posted by: westv

Unfortunately “reassurance” is not the same as protection.

This is the official WHO guidance on the use of face masks https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

Notice David Nabarro was not suggesting that people should use them for protection just that he thinks people will use them for reassurance.

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JHutch
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13 April 2020 12:09:13

#79

My wife and I certainly won't be reinstating international holidays this summer. In all honesty I doubt whether we will risk going anywhere in the UK either.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze

Yes, am not tempted to book an international holiday ahead of time either. Could be a second wave here or in the destination country meaning a lockdown happens and the holiday doesn't. Might be tempted by a last minute trip to somewhere for a few days though if circumstances look ok.

Darren S
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13 April 2020 12:10:31

#80

I’m not exaggerating when I say I barely saw a soul. For a salt of the earth, inner city area, that is damned impressive. The rules, by and large, are being adhered to. If they are here, I’d imagine they are in most places.

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs

I think the fact it's 12 degrees colder than the same time yesterday, and windy, is probably helping to keep people at home today!

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Joe Bloggs
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13 April 2020 12:13:59

#81

I think the fact it's 12 degrees colder than the same time yesterday, and windy, is probably helping to keep people at home today!

Originally Posted by: Darren S

Possibly but it still feels warm in the sun, especially when you’re walking briskly.

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JHutch
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13 April 2020 12:14:54

#82

From a London perspective i wonder what will happen to people going on the tube? The morning and evening rush hours normally see people packed into coaches for over an hour and this really is a virus breeding ground. I guess that many people will continue working from home where they can (a lot of people will be well set up now), anything approaching normal service would likely see another wave. People are very aware of this though, i think that the graphs they show in the daily briefing show that tube usage dropped quicker than other forms of transport.

westv
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13 April 2020 12:18:49

#83

From a London perspective i wonder what will happen to people going on the tube? The morning and evening rush hours normally see people packed into coaches for over an hour and this really is a virus breeding ground. I guess that many people will continue working from home where they can (a lot of people will be well set up now), anything approaching normal service would likely see another wave. People are very aware of this though, i think that the graphs they show in the daily briefing show that tube usage dropped quicker than other forms of transport.

Originally Posted by: JHutch

My work has now supplied monitor, keyboard and mouse so I'm in no hurry to rush back to London.

At least it will be mild!

haggishunter
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13 April 2020 12:20:53

#84

Unfortunately “reassurance” is not the same as protection.

This is the official WHO guidance on the use of face masks https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

Notice David Nabarro was not suggesting that people should use them for protection just that he thinks people will use them for reassurance.

Originally Posted by: doctormog

Isn't the change in tone that while only a specific type of mask properly fitted and worn will protect you from catching the virus, if everyone wore some sort of mask or face covering then if it would significantly reduce the risk of an individual spreading the virus when out and about (rather than protecting a specific individual from catching it).

doctormog
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13 April 2020 12:24:25

#85

Isn't the change in tone that while only a specific type of mask properly fitted and worn will protect you from catching the virus, if everyone wore some sort of mask or face covering then if it would significantly reduce the risk of an individual spreading the virus when out and about (rather than protecting a specific individual from catching it).

Originally Posted by: haggishunter

Perhaps but I would need to hear more to be certain. He is certainly right that more people will for good or bad wear face masks when out and about. I am yet to be convinced for healthy people surrounded by seemingly healthy people there is much benefit in a non-confined space. Perhaps in waiting rooms and so on.

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Caz
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13 April 2020 12:26:16

#86

Yes, am not tempted to book an international holiday ahead of time either. Could be a second wave here or in the destination country meaning a lockdown happens and the holiday doesn't. Might be tempted by a last minute trip to somewhere for a few days though if circumstances look ok.

Originally Posted by: JHutch

That’s how we’ll be playing it too. If things settle down we’ll get a last minute booking but I’m not holding my breath.

Hubby was watching the news this morning and he said cruises seem to be in demand at a premium price. I find it strange that people are booking now, when we don’t know what tomorrow will bring and I wouldn’t book anything that far in advance in case the company went bust.

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Gandalf The White
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13 April 2020 12:26:55

#87

Unfortunately “reassurance” is not the same as protection.

This is the official WHO guidance on the use of face masks https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

Notice David Nabarro was not suggesting that people should use them for protection just that he thinks people will use them for reassurance.

Originally Posted by: doctormog

As the disease can be spread before clear symptoms develop and if a significant number of people are asymptomatic then masks will help reduce the rate of transmission; I thought that was one of the drivers? Certainly as part of any relaxation of the measures.

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llamedos
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13 April 2020 12:26:55

#88

My work has now supplied monitor, keyboard and mouse so I'm in no hurry to rush back to London.

Originally Posted by: westv

I see a flaw here - no PC ?

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John p
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13 April 2020 12:27:09

#89

My wife and I certainly won't be reinstating international holidays this summer. In all honesty I doubt whether we will risk going anywhere in the UK either.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze

We've got a holiday lodge in northern France booked for August (via car, Eurotunnel).
Haven’t decided what to do yet, as the balance of the holiday isn’t due until July.
The travel there and back is therefore possible without any fear of catching anything as we can remain in the car. Whether anything will be open in France by then is another matter!

Camberley, Surrey

westv
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13 April 2020 12:28:18

#90

Perhaps but I would need to hear more to be certain. He is certainly right that more people will for good or bad wear face masks when out and about. I am yet to be convinced for healthy people surrounded by seemingly healthy people there is much benefit in a non-confined space. Perhaps in waiting rooms and so on.

Originally Posted by: doctormog

I certainly won't be rushing to wear one especially when you consider that they need to be changed regularly. need to be taken off with care and just add to the mountains of stuff that needs to be disposed of every day as it is.

At least it will be mild!

westv
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13 April 2020 12:29:32

#91

I see a flaw here - no PC ?

Originally Posted by: llamedos

Haha! :-)

We all already have laptops provided.

At least it will be mild!

Caz
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13 April 2020 12:30:35

#92

I see a flaw here - no PC ?

Originally Posted by: llamedos

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John p
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13 April 2020 12:31:39

#93

Hindsight is a wonderful thing so let's avoid it. If everyone else is wearing face masks Brits will want them too. Therefore, let's make sure we're not at the back of the queue. The UK government needs to urgently:

a) review its advice on face masks because it will almost certainly (rightly or wrongly) be forced to change it - so why not get ahead of the game now?

b) provide advice on types of face mask

c) take measure to ensure people aren't ripped off when buying them

d) possibly use its buying power to purchase them in bulk for the UK population (I'm not talking FFP3 which is where the shortage is for medical staff)

Wearing face masks 'will become the norm'

Wearing facial protection will soon become normal, according to the World Health Organization's Covid-19 spokesman David Nabarro.

Speaking on Radio 4's Today programme, Nabarro said people had to come to terms with the new reality of living with the virus.

"This virus is not going to go away. We don't know whether people who have had the virus stay immune and we don't know when we will have a vaccine," he said.

"Some form of facial protection I am sure is going to become the norm, not least to give people reassurance. I think it will come because of what I am calling being Covid-19-ready."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52266235

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze

My suspicion all along has been that our governmental advice not to wear them has been precisely because we don’t have the supplies to make that possible.
Once the supply is in place, watch the guidance change.
These should be delivered through the post to every household, along with another letter from Johnson.

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Saint Snow
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13 April 2020 12:32:03

#94

My wife and I certainly won't be reinstating international holidays this summer. In all honesty I doubt whether we will risk going anywhere in the UK either.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze

Our main holiday this summer is/was to drive in my car to Portsmouth, take an overnight ferry (own cabin, with dog) to Le Havre, then drive to the Vendee to stay in a villa with it's own pool.

Don't think we'll be able to do it (end of July/beginning of August) but, with hindsight, it's amongst the 'safest' arrangements we could have chosen.

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doctormog
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13 April 2020 12:33:20

#95

As the disease can be spread before clear symptoms develop and if a significant number of people are asymptomatic then masks will help reduce the rate of transmission; I thought that was one of the drivers? Certainly as part of any relaxation of the measures.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White

Not really as far as I understand it. The risk of catching it when out and about from people go are not coughing and sneezing would be exceptionally small. The people that should be wearing the masks are those that are symptomatic (but potentially undiagnosed. I think the fact he used the word reassurance rather than protection is telling.

John the guidance is from the WHO and the government are just going by that.

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westv
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13 April 2020 12:33:46

#96

Is anybody else still waiting for the Johnson letter?

At least it will be mild!

Brian Gaze
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13 April 2020 12:35:58

#97

Our main holiday this summer is/was to drive in my car to Portsmouth, take an overnight ferry (own cabin, with dog) to Le Havre, then drive to the Vendee to stay in a villa with it's own pool.

Don't think we'll be able to do it (end of July/beginning of August) but, with hindsight, it's amongst the 'safest' arrangements we could have chosen.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow

Yes it's a much better option than flying I think! I would say it's 50:50 whether or not you will be able to go. Restrictions could be lifted temporarily but if infections quickly surge again the lockdowns will return. I have little faith in the abilities of contact tracing apps to keep the lid on the virus but we shall see.

Brian Gaze
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