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Ally Pally Snowman
25 December 2023 11:58:28

Some exceptional warmth possible to start the year

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?ech=192&code=0&mode=1&carte=0&ext=0 

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 



Yes noticed that could nudging date records again.
 
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MRayner
25 December 2023 12:11:32
Well, it’s snowing in Carrbridge at least ! Sleety rain here in Cragganmore, fingers crossed for a good wintery spell next year .Meanwhile some fairly nasty wind and rain to contend with on 27/28, looks stormy .
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Ally Pally Snowman
25 December 2023 12:17:04
Early New Year warm spell showing nicely on the ECM ensembles now. And if we squint hints of a cold spell appearing at the end.


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Arbroath 1320
25 December 2023 18:56:46
Happy Christmas all. I hope you are all having a nice day. 2C max in daylight hours here in Kenmore, Highland Perthshire today, with wet snow falling most of the day. 

Looking at the 12zs tonight, there appears a shift North of the frontal systems crashing onto our shores this week, all due to a push North from the Biscay/Iberian high. 

Less model data favouring the prevailing SW direction of the systems I wonder? Maybe, maybe not. 

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Gandalf The White
25 December 2023 19:02:40

Happy Christmas all. I hope you are all having a nice day. 2C max in daylight hours here in Kenmore, Highland Perthshire today, with wet snow falling most of the day. 

Looking at the 12zs tonight, there appears a shift North of the frontal systems crashing onto our shores this week, all due to a push North from the Biscay/Iberian high. 

Less model data favouring the prevailing SW direction of the systems I wonder? Maybe, maybe not. 

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Originally Posted by: Arbroath 1320 



That would be due to all that missing data.  Or something.
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Saint Snow
25 December 2023 20:54:41


Looking at the 12zs tonight, there appears a shift North of the frontal systems crashing onto our shores this week, all due to a push North from the Biscay/Iberian high. 

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Originally Posted by: Arbroath 1320 



That keeps recurring like a bad smell.

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Brian Gaze
25 December 2023 21:28:07
I wonder if January could be very cold or extremely mild? There are signs of pattern amplification which could lead to either. 
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Zubzero
25 December 2023 22:04:36
Same old rubbish, that describes the model outlook for 90% of Winters in the UK. 

Still no change.  20% chance of a ground frost. And 5-10% chance of an air frost in a few weeks time. Is the best that's on offer imby. 

https://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=317&y=99&run=12&runpara=0&type=3&ext=1 
David M Porter
25 December 2023 22:06:37
Happy Christmas to all TWO members!

My one wish for January at the moment is that we get a decent dry spell during it, be it mild or cold. The ground here is totally saturated after not only this month's rainfall but what fell during the autumn too, especially October. I have a feeling the same is probably the case in a lot of the rest of the UK too at the moment. Much more of this and there will be problems with flooding again, methinks.
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nsrobins
25 December 2023 23:18:39
For the first time in a while, EC isn’t the Xmas party pooper. With momentum increasing for a strat reversal and from what I have read today a potential rapid response, we’ll probably see some eye candy in the next few days as the NWP gets to grip with the modelled SSW in the 12day+ range.
Enough brandy cream to serve with the cold Christmas pud tomorrow I reckon.
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Gandalf The White
25 December 2023 23:59:30

For the first time in a while, EC isn’t the Xmas party pooper. With momentum increasing for a strat reversal and from what I have read today a potential rapid response, we’ll probably see some eye candy in the next few days as the NWP gets to grip with the modelled SSW in the 12day+ range.
Enough brandy cream to serve with the cold Christmas pud tomorrow I reckon.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 



Today’s 10hPa wind forecast shows the ensemble mean just dropping to zero, within a whisker of reversal territory for the first time in the current sequence.  Timing suggests 14 days from here.

https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/extended-zonal-mean-zonal-wind?area=nh&base_time=202312250000 

 
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glenogle
26 December 2023 00:00:11
You say rapid response, if it happens, then I wonder what's been around that's made the meto keep mentioning mid Jan cold spell?? That said, we're now at the point where they need to start changing their wording as it no longer fits, so be interesting to see how they change it.
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BJBlake
26 December 2023 05:51:01
All I wanted for Christmas...

Albeit in FI - but the first week isn’t bad for the northern half of the UK frankly...
https://images.meteociel.fr/im/73/16106/animtwd0.gif 


 
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Ally Pally Snowman
26 December 2023 06:57:21
Yes very good GFS this morning.  Even better ECM which has a massive southern snow storm at just day 7/8. What could go wrong?
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marco 79
26 December 2023 07:04:12
Gfs op obliterates the PV at the end of its current run
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CField
26 December 2023 07:07:59

Gfs op obliterates the PV at the end of its current run

Originally Posted by: marco 79 

yes but despite that the gate between the Greenland High and Azores looks too big....an irksome little fella will punch through it...
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Ally Pally Snowman
26 December 2023 07:12:26
ECM has 10cm widely Cornwall to Suffolk day 7/8,
GFS similar but a bit further north on day 9. 🥶🥶🥶❄🌨🌨❄🌨
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Ally Pally Snowman
26 December 2023 07:18:00
Heres the ECM snow for the South/ Midlands. 

https://weather.us/model-charts/euro/england/snow-depth-in/20240102-1200z.html#tab-dates-date 
 
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doctormog
26 December 2023 07:58:17
It’s a messy and unsettled looking picture across the models this morning. There could be some very wet and windy conditions in the next week or two but it’s very hard to work out any specifics looking at the entirety of the output.
Crepuscular Ray
26 December 2023 08:21:25
For my location, I'm quite happy with the ECM and GFS 00Z

Cold from 1st Jan onwards with southerly tracking Lows over England, a strengthening Greenland High and a permanent freezing Low to the NE......what can go wrong?

The 06Z probably 🙄
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DEW
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26 December 2023 08:29:09
WX temps from week 1 with nothing special, cold towards the north with encroachment as far as Poland in the E and the Scottish Highlands in the W to a much colder scenario than shown yesterday, freezing weather across much of Europe N of the Alps and extending to all the higher regions of Britain, pursued by a large area of ultra-cold in N Russia and Finland. Spain beginning to warm up again after a cold few days. Pptn pattern reverting to that of two days ago i.e. week 1, Britain and the Baltic; week 2 it all moves south and douses the N Mediterranean.

GFS Op - tomorrow's LP still on track 970mb Outer Hebrides moving to N Sea by Sat 30th followed by a secondary crossing England 985mb Yorkshire Sun 31st, all with a general N-ly influence. Then some S-ly tracking depressions, 995mb Channel Tue 2nd, and again 1005mb Fri 5th, 1000mb N Spain Mon 8th, the last of these linking to scandinavia and bringing in more serious cold NE-lies compared to the earlier ones which are marginally cold. By Thu 10th the NE-ly has converted to a full-on N-ly down the N Sea. 

ECM agrees with GFS though LP Tue 2nd is slightly deeper and has more cold air entrained in its circulation, but the later LP Fri 5th is more of an extended trough from the NW than an active feature.

GEFS temps from a little above norm now to below by Thu 11th, with a bump of milder weather around New year. After this bump, less and less ens agreement but op and control leading the pack towards cold. Rain, possibly snow in the N, appearing in most ens members from about Fri 29th (a day or two earlier in Scotland)  for a week and likely to be heavy; later only a few members want to continue the wet theme but these esp in the SW.
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BJBlake
26 December 2023 08:43:39

WX temps from week 1 with nothing special, cold towards the north with encroachment as far as Poland in the E and the Scottish Highlands in the W to a much colder scenario than shown yesterday, freezing weather across much of Europe N of the Alps and extending to all the higher regions of Britain, pursued by a large area of ultra-cold in N Russia and Finland. Spain beginning to warm up again after a cold few days. Pptn pattern reverting to that of two days ago i.e. week 1, Britain and the Baltic; week 2 it all moves south and douses the N Mediterranean.

GFS Op - tomorrow's LP still on track 970mb Outer Hebrides moving to N Sea by Sat 30th followed by a secondary crossing England 985mb Yorkshire Sun 31st, all with a general N-ly influence. Then some S-ly tracking depressions, 995mb Channel Tue 2nd, and again 1005mb Fri 5th, 1000mb N Spain Mon 8th, the last of these linking to scandinavia and bringing in more serious cold NE-lies compared to the earlier ones which are marginally cold. By Thu 10th the NE-ly has converted to a full-on N-ly down the N Sea. 

ECM agrees with GFS though LP Tue 2nd is slightly deeper and has more cold air entrained in its circulation, but the later LP Fri 5th is more of an extended trough from the NW than an active feature.

GEFS temps from a little above norm now to below by Thu 11th, with a bump of milder weather around New year. After this bump, less and less ens agreement but op and control leading the pack towards cold. Rain, possibly snow in the N, appearing in most ens members from about Fri 29th (a day or two earlier in Scotland)  for a week and likely to be heavy; later only a few members want to continue the wet theme but these esp in the SW.

Originally Posted by: DEW 



 Great! Almost full model agreement to a switch to something more like a proper winter should look like then! Dare I dust down that sledge???
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MRayner
26 December 2023 08:48:30
Could be the models giving everyone a Christmas present teaser !!
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Caz
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26 December 2023 08:56:24
Looks like the models have been on the sherry!  🙄
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Retron
26 December 2023 09:06:11
Suffice to say I'll not be paying too much attention to today's model output (as was the case with yesterday's), and it's no surprise to see "blocky" output.

The acid test will be whether the blocking persists in tomorrow's output - if it does, maybe, just maybe, the annual Christmas mirage will reflect reality for once!

(I wouldn't expect to see "holy grail" charts for another week, as the strat slowdown/reversal isn't for another week or so - to see them in the timeframes being shown today would be very unusual.)
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