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cultman1
31 May 2015 09:47:09
Matty totally confused with the constant flipping of models I know this seems to occur a lot however is the expected heatwave and plume now off the cards? I don't call 16 degrees pleasant warmth even though I do accept it is just one run recently posted on the forum
Stormchaser
31 May 2015 09:57:38

The ECM and GFS 00z op runs paint an unfortunate picture for those wanting a good visit from the heat plume... but they're not representing any kind of consensus, with the model output as a whole in total disarray.


 


Two examples from the other end of the spectrum are UKMO and GEM 00z op runs:


  


 


The key difference is what happens with a trough in the jet stream between days 4 and 5.


ECM and GFS have this digging down toward the weak Iberian low, leading to the rapid development of an area of low pressure that sweeps northeast and sends the plume packing. High pressure is back on the scene very quickly but it's a fresher airmass with near average temperatures, soon rising on the ECM run but taking their time on the GFS run.


UKMO and GEM have a flatter jet which stays clear of the Iberian Low, a shallow depression heading north of the UK with a ridge to the south of it which keeps us settled and allows the plume to stick around to some extent. I say to some extent because northern parts of the UK end up being left out on the UKMO run. The GEM run warms things up for Scotland from Saturday onward.


 


A glance at the ECM ensemble spread suggests two distinct clusters, one with the LP development racing NE through or just NW of the UK, the other with the development some way SW of the UK, perhaps more like the GEM run:



It's likely that the position of the high pressure is having a fairly significant impact on the spreads as well. Overall it's a very uncertain picture for 5-6 days time.


 


Longer term, GFS has switched back to signalling a warmer regime but potentially unsettled at times, while ECM is a bit uncertain as of day 10, depending on how far east the incoming Atlantic ridge is able to get.


So very typical for CET prediction day 


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Gavin P
31 May 2015 10:06:04

It does look as though the core of heat is being shoved eastwards for Friday/Saturday...  


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Col
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31 May 2015 10:06:55

Oh dear, that chart above for the 7th is pants, 16c in the south is about 3c below normal!

As for the north it looks like my central heating will be staying on, it's been so cold recently, yesterday's max was just 13.5c even though we had sunny spells and lighter winds. That really isn't good enough for late May.

On only 2 days has the day maximum reached normal in the last 4 weeks.

Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


 


Yes, that really is a big pile of underwear isn't it?


And some people were seriously talking about 'the hottest June on record' just a couple of days ago.


Like your sig btw :)


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Matty H
31 May 2015 10:09:44

Excellent as always James 


idj20
31 May 2015 10:24:53

With regards to that upcoming warm spell, it is looking more and more like a blink and you'd miss it affair - but the general outlook beyond the weekend's thundery type weather (and even that needs to be firmed up) does look quite pleasant in nature - at least towards southern and eastern parts of the UK.
 
I think we should take on a less stressful pastime other than amateur meteorology as we drive ourselves nuts chasing shadows for most of the time.


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Phil G
31 May 2015 10:28:09

Just as the media informs of high temps next weekend, the models show a downgrade with just a one day wonder here in the South East on Friday where temps could reach 80F, but with heavy thunderstorms to boot.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn13217.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn13211.gif



Sinky1970
31 May 2015 10:55:03
If i had the money i'd move to southern Spain or Portugal.
Gooner
31 May 2015 11:04:05

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1321.gif


Warm and Thundery


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Charmhills
31 May 2015 11:05:29

GFS fi is


A mixed outlook and somewhat a little disappointing when compared to yesterday runs.


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31 May 2015 11:38:35


It does look as though the core of heat is being shoved eastwards for Friday/Saturday...  


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


 


Interesting how a lot of the models were showing a more northerly \ northwesterly flow this morning for June in your excellent Summer forecast video Gavin. I wonder if that will be the story for June of one day hot spells that are short lived?

colin46
31 May 2015 12:23:18


It does look as though the core of heat is being shoved eastwards for Friday/Saturday...  


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 

Good!!


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bledur
31 May 2015 13:05:41

Warmer, then nearly back to where we are now.


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Whether Idle
31 May 2015 13:15:14


From Friday huge disagreement.  Looks like the sort of ensemble chart 5 days out from a failed easterly.


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Andy Woodcock
31 May 2015 13:58:19
Just seen the MetO extended outlook and Beeb week ahead and the MetO are having none of this downgrade.

They are still VERY confident of a hot weekend with no sign of the GFS northwesterly on Saturday.

We will see who is correct but will be a bit embarrassing for the MetO if GFS 06z is correct.

FWIW my money is with the MetO.

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JACKO4EVER
31 May 2015 13:59:46



From Friday huge disagreement.  Looks like the sort of ensemble chart 5 days out from a failed easterly.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


yes huge split after just 5 days- it's knife edge and could go either way. The concern is that quite a few members return us to a wet and cool scenario- just what we have now. The talk of a few days ago about "hottest June on record" now looks a distant straw to clutch. 


Back to hibernation........

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31 May 2015 15:29:08
I watch this thread more than any these days and love the daily assessments.

Many are thinking BBQ weather and will it or won't it - keep in mind those that depend on the weather for their business, hard to plan anything when models can change so much in just 24hrs.

Hard to see why model flip flop on just 5 days notice, let alone 10 days and beyond.

Jez


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Phil G
31 May 2015 16:13:29
GFS and Friday's one day wonder here in the SE has now gone. Quite how the rest of the run will pan out.
doctormog
31 May 2015 16:16:47

GFS and Friday's one day wonder here in the SE has now gone. Quite how the rest of the run will pan out.

Originally Posted by: Phil G 


Have you never heard of the description of the British summer? "Three fine hours then a thunderstorm"? 


Whether Idle
31 May 2015 16:18:59

Modele UKMO - Carte prévisions


UKMO 120. not bad.


Edit - and 144 shows an intensifying HP over doc and a warm south easterly


Modele UKMO - Carte prévisions


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Whether Idle
31 May 2015 16:34:21

Looking like a decent warm up then from Wednesday.


What could possibly go wrong


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idj20
31 May 2015 16:36:14

GFS and Friday's one day wonder here in the SE has now gone. Quite how the rest of the run will pan out.

Originally Posted by: Phil G 



If the models could actually speak, it'll probably be something like this . . .





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Sinky1970
31 May 2015 16:38:35
Looks like it's turned on a sixpence again, this could turn back and forth several times before it settles down.
cultman1
31 May 2015 16:50:38
Quite extraordinary last 24 hours . BBC Weather still holding out for an improvement from Wednesday but cool down over the weekend
Phil G
31 May 2015 17:23:41

Looks like it's turned on a sixpence again, this could turn back and forth several times before it settles down.

Originally Posted by: Sinky1970 


Appears the high temps have been delayed a couple of days into the early part of next week, though it doesn't last. Agree, there's so much change from run to run and quite what we'll get come the day.

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