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Quantum
18 January 2017 16:49:14

This is so close


Netweather GFS Image


How much more would it take for the low to push south and go under, and those high heights go north?


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Retron
18 January 2017 16:49:39

Just catching the GFS 12z run out to 204 and the whole chart looks markedly different from the 6z. Where it goes from here?

Originally Posted by: Phil G 


Wherever it goes, the MetO run has no support whatsoever at 144. Let's see what the ensembles say!


Leysdown, north Kent
Quantum
18 January 2017 16:50:48


 


 


Interestingly there seems to be continued forecast for a SSW over on the siberian side around that time...


 


The two actions linked?  


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


I wouldn't have thought so. It takes several weeks for the SSW to propagate down. I think this is more related to an absence of cold air being advected from Canada.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
18 January 2017 16:53:34

Freezing rain risk if this comes off. The geostropic wind is southerly and is pulling in warm uppers, but the surface wind is still backed south easterly and keeping things relatively cold.


Netweather GFS Image


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Russwirral
18 January 2017 16:59:19

These charts resemble March 2006, brought a lot of snow to western parts of England.


 


Unfortunately the road to this chart is one of milder air first.  But with a bit of correction this could be a nice result.


 


 


Netweather GFS Image


 


Brought blizzard conditions on a fairly last minute forecast.  Had been a dross month till then.


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Phil G
18 January 2017 17:05:27
And GFS reverts to default in FI.
The reliable time frame has reduced significantly this evening, and reading above probably around 144 as Darren mentions.
Quantum
18 January 2017 17:05:52

Some energy going south on the Parallel run.



 


Its telling the parallel GFS runs have been more reluctant to return to zonality.


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Chunky Pea
18 January 2017 17:12:35

I wouldn't say no to this set up as it would suggest some potential for a more active set up down the line, but given that it is the last frame of the GFS run this evening, I won't hold by breath.


 



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tallyho_83
18 January 2017 17:13:51


Some energy going south on the Parallel run.



 


Its telling the parallel GFS runs have been more reluctant to return to zonality.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Yes, looks like N. Ireland and Scotland will be in the milder SW air and the south and south east (ENGLAND) is still influence by a South easterly wind - as you know it's been very cold over the continent - so this would mean cold air.


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nsrobins
18 January 2017 17:38:54
A select few in here holding the fort so to speak as the NWP plays around with the next phase in this year's weather saga.
The fact that the chance of higher latitude blocking holding its position and even building into Scandinavia is still in the air is not kidding anyone but nevertheless is worth discussing - let's see how things develop and I note a few of the GEFS are toying with undercutting early next week.
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Retron
18 January 2017 17:56:05
Very interesting. For the first time in 4 days, GEFS gives up on the 24th being the switch to milder conditions. (It now shows the 26th as being the switch date).

http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=306&y=141&run=12&ville=Londres&runpara=0&type=3&ext=1 

Leysdown, north Kent
Gandalf The White
18 January 2017 18:07:06

Very interesting. For the first time in 4 days, GEFS gives up on the 24th being the switch to milder conditions. (It now shows the 26th as being the switch date).

http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=306&y=141&run=12&ville=Londres&runpara=0&type=3&ext=1

Originally Posted by: Retron 


I mentioned yesterday that there was evidence of the ebbing away of high pressure being delayed.  The trend over recent days has been in this direction, hasn't it?  The question is how much longer can it drift: we've gone from early next week to late next week.


It may be my faulty memory but I don't recall too many occcaions when a pattern change has been so difficult for the models to predict for so long, both in terms of timing and shape.


ECM will be interesting again. The $64,000 question remains whether and for how long enough upper warmth can get north or whether it will sit to our south wit the jet driving it aside. Still rather unclear IMO.


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The Beast from the East
18 January 2017 18:33:52

UKMO remains flat and progressive but many of the GEFS are more amplified at 144 and ECM is also better though it will likely end up in the same place


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2017011812/ECH1-144.GIF?18-0


 


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The Beast from the East
18 January 2017 18:40:07

I remember Ian McCaskill used to say that a mild southerly could easily change to a cold south easterly.


Iceman said the other day that he thought the Scandi high would be back, I dismissed it but there is an outside chance, maybe not this time but perhaps it will have another go in early Feb


 


 


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roger63
18 January 2017 21:02:09


I remember Ian McCaskill used to say that a mild southerly could easily change to a cold south easterly.


Iceman said the other day that he thought the Scandi high would be back, I dismissed it but there is an outside chance, maybe not this time but perhaps it will have another go in early Feb


 


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Scandi HP back-maybe but hopefully in a better position although HP to S,E as currently,is a more likely outcome.I'm reminded of a song by the AWB "lets go round again"

UncleAlbert
18 January 2017 21:07:35

The way this block is fending off the Atlantic (as shown by the GFS) puts me in the mind of some of those Muhammad Ali fights all those years ago,  The opponent would be battering away with Ali on the ropes for long periods of the fight but the great champion would not give.  Can we see the block emulate the great champion, break free and deliver the sucker punch…..

doctormog
18 January 2017 21:30:32

Can everyone stay on topic please and don't feed the zonality machine.


Karl Guille
18 January 2017 22:06:27


The way this block is fending off the Atlantic (as shown by the GFS) puts me in the mind of some of those Muhammad Ali fights all those years ago,  The opponent would be battering away with Ali on the ropes for long periods of the fight but the great champion would not give.  Can we see the block emulate the great champion, break free and deliver the sucker punch…..


Originally Posted by: UncleAlbert 


I wouldn't be at all surprised to see something special in the models over the next day or so if high pressure continues to keep its strangle hold over the southern half of the U.K. Meanwhile +7 degrees or lower IMBY is certainly seasonal to say the least!


 


 


 


 


St. Sampson
Guernsey
Quantum
18 January 2017 22:09:37

18Z continues the trend.


Netweather GFS Image


 


One other interesting thing of note, the cold pool in western Greenland is much weaker. That should mean the LP will also not be able to intensify as much as on the 12Z.


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
18 January 2017 22:18:58

18Z looks like a massive upgrade so far:


Netweather GFS Image


 


Some communication beginning to occur between the Canadian high and Greenland, much more than we saw on the 12Z. The attack face of the low continues to back further towards southerly. This is the point where it will really struggle to push through and could even undercut. 552 Isopleth continues to be projected further and further north.


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Karl Guille
Chiltern Blizzard
18 January 2017 22:26:29

Things slightly further west again on the 18z!
http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2017011818/gfs-0-156.png?18
http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2017011818/gfs-1-156.png?18

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 


yes... zonality keeps getting pushed back. WAA has more of a westerly component too.... inching towards a Scandi block perhaps?


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
Russwirral
18 January 2017 22:37:40
Crazy how much FI is heading closer and closer to a battleground situation around the 26th.

Beasterly from the backdoor?
Solar Cycles
18 January 2017 22:40:18

Crazy how much FI is heading closer and closer to a battleground situation around the 26th.

Beasterly from the backdoor?

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

It would put the mockers on my half arsed attempt at calling winter is more or less over if it did.😎

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