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llamedos
19 January 2017 15:43:42


 


I admire your eternal optimism.


I think a zonal period is now nailed on inspite of some encouraging charts at 144. Only very few GEFS actually stop the zonal train so we have to assume its coming and hope it doesn't last for more than 2 weeks


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Being a bit dumb, could you explain the rationale (longevity) behind the highlighted section of your post....in a thirst for knowledge I'm always keen to learn how assumptions are made.


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festivalking
19 January 2017 16:14:05
Unable to post but the 12z GFS looks like the block is slightly less robust at 126. Just shifted more east a bit.
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The Beast from the East
19 January 2017 16:33:40

http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2017011912/UW144-21.GIF?19-17


UKMO now in line with GFS with a more amplified ridge. It will still be pushed aside on Friday, but another week of frost for some areas


As for two weeks of zonal, I said I hoped it only lasted that long, I wasn't saying it would but we know that once the pattern is set it can be hard to shift it


 


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Weathermac
19 January 2017 16:42:03


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2017011912/UW144-21.GIF?19-17


UKMO now in line with GFS with a more amplified ridge. It will still be pushed aside on Friday, but another week of frost for some areas


As for two weeks of zonal, I said I hoped it only lasted that long, I wasn't saying it would but we know that once the pattern is set it can be hard to shift it


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


it`s only a couple of days ago the Atlantic was pushing in on Sunday/Monday a sure sign not to trust the output too far ahead.


I believe any Atlantic thrust will again be short lived before high pressure rules the roost as we head into Feb.

David M Porter
19 January 2017 16:49:47


 


it`s only a couple of days ago the Atlantic was pushing in on Sunday/Monday a sure sign not to trust the output too far ahead.


I believe any Atlantic thrust will again be short lived before high pressure rules the roost as we head into Feb.


Originally Posted by: Weathermac 


Where I live, we haven't had a sustained unsettled spell since early last autumn.


The recurring theme of this season thus far has been predominantly dry, mostly settled and sometimes cold conditions dominating interrupted by brief unsettled spells, and the model output has IMO reflected this pretty well. It hasn't just been potential cold spells that the models have downgraded with time this winter thus far.


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some faraway beach
19 January 2017 17:15:05

If a zonal flow is predominantly west-to-east, and a meridional one north/south, then you could argue that even 8 days out on the GFS we're still waiting for a zonal flow to establish itself.



Fair enough, it's zonal week on the GFS FI after that. But then again, it's always zonal week on the GFS FI.


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
warrenb
19 January 2017 17:17:45
Looking at the GFS run, it is not zonal for the entire run, as it hits a brick wall about 400 miles to our east and stalls over us.
doctormog
19 January 2017 17:24:14
There are a few zonal points in the medium to longer term FI section but in the short to medium term it is an outlook once again dominated by anticyclonic and often meridional conditions.
squish
19 January 2017 17:55:14

There are hints across the models of the block holding well into next week. Tonights CMA is a case in point....
http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cma/runs/2017011912/cmanh-0-180.png?12


 


12z NAVGEM has moved significantly towards a stalled Atlantic and strong block to the east, as did the 06z parallel 


D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
Whether Idle
19 January 2017 18:34:33

There are hints across the models of the block holding well into next week. Tonights CMA is a case in point....
http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cma/runs/2017011912/cmanh-0-180.png?12

Originally Posted by: squish 


Indeed, it builds consistently on last night's 12z.  Meanwhile ECM in FI (day 6)


Hardly Zonal at this point.  You've got to admire the strength of the block.  First 24th, then 25th, now 26th for the SW gunk to arrive...


...edit...and when the rest of the UK shares in this week's frosts, watch the CET tumble a bit



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The Beast from the East
19 January 2017 18:34:40

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2017011912/ECH1-144.GIF?19-0


Interesting


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The Beast from the East
19 January 2017 18:35:41

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2017011912/ECH1-168.GIF?19-0


We have undercut!


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squish
19 January 2017 18:37:00
Looks like the 12z ECM is following NAVGEM 😉
D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
Whether Idle
19 January 2017 18:38:32


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2017011912/ECH1-168.GIF?19-0


We have undercut!


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Well into FI there but a disrupting trough...


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
The Beast from the East
19 January 2017 18:40:43

If the trend continues, we could get an easterly but it needs to start showing in more of the ensembles.


 


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The Beast from the East
19 January 2017 18:43:24

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2017011912/ECM0-192.GIF?19-0


Close but no cigar but its not overly mild,


 


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The Beast from the East
19 January 2017 18:46:06

I'd love to see the postage stamps for the 144-192 range


 


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Whether Idle
19 January 2017 18:50:41

SWly winds return on day 9.


More runs needed.



Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
David M Porter
19 January 2017 18:51:59


 


Indeed, it builds consistently on last night's 12z.  Meanwhile ECM in FI (day 6)


Hardly Zonal at this point.  You've got to admire the strength of the block.  First 24th, then 25th, now 26th for the SW gunk to arrive...


...edit...and when the rest of the UK shares in this week's frosts, watch the CET tumble a bit



Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


If the atlantic was as active just now as it was last winter, it would in all likelihood blow this HP aside with little difficulty. However, we don't have to look back too far to the last time the atlantic struggled to get a foothold across the UK at this time of year. I remember seeing an archive WZ chart for mid-Jan 2013 very recently, and the HP area to the east that produced that cold spell didn't appear to be that strong on the face of it.


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Chunky Pea
19 January 2017 18:54:04

That Atlantic low in the ECM tonight looks weird in the it has all these tiny little lows within the bigger parent low. Don't know why but the overall shape and spectacle of them reminds me of some weird alien shape that you would see in a 50's Sci-Fi flick or something


 



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The Beast from the East
19 January 2017 18:54:08

Even if this verifies, as long as the block is not too far away, it could come back soon


 


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Whether Idle
19 January 2017 18:57:30


 


If the atlantic was as active just now as it was last winter, it would in all likelihood blow this HP aside with little difficulty. However, we don't have to look back too far to the last time the atlantic struggled to get a foothold across the UK at this time of year. I remember seeing an archive WZ chart for mid-Jan 2013 very recently, and the HP area to the east that produced that cold spell didn't appear to be that strng on the face of it.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Yes.  I'm finding this winter the most fascinating model watching ever.  Its better than the hide behind the desk dread of the rainfest/storm fest of 13-14, for sure. 


Its a subtle battle for ascendancy between a jet that wants to loop and blocking highs that want to dominate. FI being around 120 its keeping us guessing and the zonaphiles must be chewing off their fists in frustration at the Atlantic not destroying the block to order.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Rob K
19 January 2017 19:03:20

A couple of cheeky outliers heading down towards the -10C line at the end of the GEFS 12Z.

Run 4 is a case in point...


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Devonian
19 January 2017 19:05:44


 


Yes.  I'm finding this winter the most fascinating model watching ever.  Its better than the hide behind the desk dread of the rainfest/storm fest of 13-14, for sure. 


Its a subtle battle for ascendancy between a jet that wants to loop and blocking highs that want to dominate. FI being around 120 its keeping us guessing and the zonaphiles must be chewing off their fists in frustration at the Atlantic not destroying the block to order.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


'battle'? Bar three lows the weather has been amazingly anticyclonic for several months. There's no fight in the westerlies, its not so much a block as a 'stopped'. See the Arctic for why I suspect.


Zonal? I'm not a fan of relentless anything, but I would like to see some rain - the weather is just so inert atm - were this July the south west would be 1976ish brown.


Outlook? The models (as the seem to have for months too) indicate the weather might get a move on in the t+144+ range. We shall see...

roger63
19 January 2017 19:08:50

Unusual synoptics -Not often that we see a winter cold front moving from  south to north across England .Southeast to north west yes but S heading due N rare I would think.


Surface pressure chart - Forecast T+36 - Issued at: 00:00 on Thu 19 Jan 2017

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