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Whether Idle
18 January 2017 22:44:33

Just noticed this from CMA in 5/6 days... a good effort but ends up with a frosty Euro high everntually:



Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
tallyho_83
18 January 2017 22:53:37

Even until next week - the winds turn south-easterly not south westerly!



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tallyho_83
18 January 2017 23:04:24
Also notice that the HP is not sinking it's just moving eastwards in FI and being delayed by a day each run.
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Joe Bloggs
18 January 2017 23:15:42

Those people banging the drum about mild zonality may need to be more cautious.


18z GFS shows overnight frosts here (and for much of England and Wales) pretty much the whole of next week. 



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Phil G
18 January 2017 23:29:42


Those people banging the drum about mild zonality may need to be more cautious.


18z GFS shows overnight frosts here (and for much of England and Wales) pretty much the whole of next week. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Quite right Joe. By using the wording suggests or may in their analysis rather than is, sure this would not grate so much.


Blocks are notoriously hard to work out sometimes. It does appear the Atlantic may push through, but with the first of those more active systems still well over a week away its very easy they may be modelled away north, even southwards with HP exerting its influence even more from the continent.


 


 

Gandalf The White
18 January 2017 23:34:15


Those people banging the drum about mild zonality may need to be more cautious.


18z GFS shows overnight frosts here (and for much of England and Wales) pretty much the whole of next week. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Very true about the premature calls of zonality but whether certain posters will take heed is debatable.  You would hope that people woul learn from the last two weeks that anything more than 4-5 days ahead is liable to change; even the long wave pattern a week ahead is being altered subtly.


As Brian mentioned recently, there seems not to be much oomph in the Atlantic this winter, so far.  


Ensemble mean chart for T+168 (next Wednesday):



The spread chart shows good agreement on the position and strength of the HP cell, with only ca 5 dam spread (i.e. 2.5 either side of the mean).


 


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Justin W
19 January 2017 06:44:11
Southerly winds and a stubborn HP for much of the country this time next week according to the GFS and Euro ops this morning. Atlantic push delayed again.
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Brian Gaze
19 January 2017 07:42:25

Stay on topic. It's proving more difficult to find posts to leave than delete. 


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Maunder Minimum
19 January 2017 07:49:27

Southerly winds and a stubborn HP for much of the country this time next week according to the GFS and Euro ops this morning. Atlantic push delayed again.

Originally Posted by: Justin W 


That is the story of the winter so far - boring, calm and occassionally frosty. I am afraid those looking favourably at FI charts showing rampant zonality are going to be disappointed yet again, as the zonality is constantly downgraded in each run :-)


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doctormog
19 January 2017 07:55:04
If only the high pressure would be as stubbornly stuck where we would actually like it! It does look as if pressure will remain high to the the east and south leaving the UK in dome form of anticyclonic nothingness. Nothing very cold, very mild, very wet, very wintry or very windy.

A rather meridional outlook for the next 7 or 8 days then the Atlantic again tries to encroach. Deja vu anyone?
White Meadows
19 January 2017 08:15:12
Nothing remotely interesting in the output for a while now.
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nsrobins
19 January 2017 08:20:30


Stay on topic. It's proving more difficult to find posts to leave than delete. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


If you remove any more there'd be none left 😉


Another morning of rather non-descript synoptics and I'm left wondering whether we'll see any classic Atlantic-driven weather before the end of the month now.


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Gandalf The White
19 January 2017 08:24:05

If only the high pressure would be as stubbornly stuck where we would actually like it! It does look as if pressure will remain high to the the east and south leaving the UK in dome form of anticyclonic nothingness. Nothing very cold, very mild, very wet, very wintry or very windy.

A rather meridional outlook for the next 7 or 8 days then the Atlantic again tries to encroach. Deja vu anyone?

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Your post seems familiar....



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130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


tallyho_83
19 January 2017 08:24:07

Deep into FI - Still no sign of much if any precipitation for the south and south east:



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Ally Pally Snowman
19 January 2017 09:20:33

Significant Strat warming now at day 9 who knows what it will lead to but gives us more of a chance. 


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=216&mode=10&carte=1


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
David M Porter
19 January 2017 09:26:44


Significant Strat warming now at day 9 who knows what it will lead to but gives us more of a chance. 


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=216&mode=10&carte=1


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Looks interesting. Hopefully it may have some positive effect on our weather at a later stage as happened in the early part of 2013.


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Ally Pally Snowman
19 January 2017 09:35:55


 


Looks interesting. Hopefully it may have some positive effect on our weather at a later stage as happened in the early part of 2013.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


 


It does look very good we just need the luck which we had in 2013. We've been very unlucky this winter most of Europe has had at least one or 2 proper cold spells is our luck about to change. Early mid February  could be very interesting. 


 


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Gusty
19 January 2017 11:12:08

Shades of late January 1991 at the moment 


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Phil G
19 January 2017 11:21:11


Shades of late January 1991 at the moment 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Feb 91 was the best here since 87. Always remember Bill Giles having palpitations over the forecast showing temps in London of -4c during the day.


Those lows are starting to be plotted more to the south now. Patience!


 

Rob K
19 January 2017 11:30:28


Deep into FI - Still no sign of much if any precipitation for the south and south east:



Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


Concerning charts for the Alps again. They've had some snow in the past week or so but the outlook is now dry dry dry again...


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nsrobins
19 January 2017 13:29:33
Only 5 posts about the 06GFS output today. It's a bit sad if I'm honest as I really enjoy the buzz that impending very cold and snowy charts (note conditional definition before anyone comments) brings to this forum.
However, with the slight change in tone in the MetO extended today perhaps the fun will return going into Feb?
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Snow Hoper
19 January 2017 13:36:29


Shades of late January 1991 at the moment 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


You know, that thought had crossed my mind also


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picturesareme
19 January 2017 13:58:22


Shades of late January 1991 at the moment 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Im thinking more along the lines of 2008.. That winter though the euro block and it's cold feed over southern & southeastern UK started much earlier. It ended with the beast finally showing itself in February 2009 dumping over a foot of snow for some lucky folk!

The Beast from the East
19 January 2017 15:14:07


Shades of late January 1991 at the moment 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


I admire your eternal optimism.


I think a zonal period is now nailed on inspite of some encouraging charts at 144. Only very few GEFS actually stop the zonal train so we have to assume its coming and hope it doesn't last for more than 2 weeks


 


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Russwirral
19 January 2017 15:21:29


 


I admire your eternal optimism.


I think a zonal period is now nailed on inspite of some encouraging charts at 144. Only very few GEFS actually stop the zonal train so we have to assume its coming and hope it doesn't last for more than 2 weeks


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 


Everyone keeps going on about Zonal.  Im not sure it really is.  It looks like we might get some mild Southwesterlies, but even then not at any significant strength to dislodge cold surface temps.  To me the weather is looking increasingly high pressure dominated.  Might be zonal to the very fringes of the UK, but with every run now the weather systems are either being pushed back to the atlantic, or veering to more of a direct southerly to Iceland.


 


I cant see any Mild zone followed by Cold Zone or Mild zone, even in the GEFS... it kinda goes up and down, but its too weak and actually just reflects our position next to a wedge of High pressure.


 


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