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Saint Snow
15 April 2020 09:45:40

 predators, parasites and pathogens 


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


 


That just about covers all facets of the Tory Party.


 


 


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Brian Gaze
15 April 2020 09:52:23


 


There is evidence that some cold viruses can "hit and hide".


Researchers Discover Cold Virus Can 'Hit And Hide'


An international team of researchers has discovered that respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), a common cold virus causing bronchiolitis in children, can act as a 'hit and hide' virus.


Professor Peter Openshaw, from Imperial College London and St Mary's Hospital, and one of the papers authors, comments: "These studies show that RSV is a 'hit and hide' virus, rather like HIV, herpes or some hepatitis viruses. The symptoms seem to go away but the virus is just hiding, waiting for a chance to re-emerge and begin infecting other people."


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/04/040426055429.htm


Originally Posted by: RobN 


 Thanks for flagging this up. As a medical "pleb" I have long held doubts about the way colds are transmitted and present themselves. I think there is still much to learn about viruses, how they behave and their effective transmission routes. 

Brian Gaze
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doctormog
15 April 2020 10:03:37


 


There is evidence that some cold viruses can "hit and hide".


Researchers Discover Cold Virus Can 'Hit And Hide'


An international team of researchers has discovered that respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), a common cold virus causing bronchiolitis in children, can act as a 'hit and hide' virus.


Professor Peter Openshaw, from Imperial College London and St Mary's Hospital, and one of the papers authors, comments: "These studies show that RSV is a 'hit and hide' virus, rather like HIV, herpes or some hepatitis viruses. The symptoms seem to go away but the virus is just hiding, waiting for a chance to re-emerge and begin infecting other people."


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/04/040426055429.htm


Originally Posted by: RobN 


The (more recent) research I have read using other animal studies suggest that you can get repeated infections with RSV and that with each infection the immune system response strengthens to develop immunity over a period of time. That’s not to say that reinfection does not occur.


Like everything else in immunology and physiology it is incredibly complicated and quite often the findings in in vivo animal studies are often not replicated in human trials.


There is a massive body of literature on RSV and while reinfection is seemingly common I am not sure how much follow up work has been done on that study in humans.

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Maunder Minimum
15 April 2020 10:03:39

Trump is not wrong about the failings of the WHO during this pandemic, but he is wrong to withdraw funding at this stage. There will need to be a post mortem of the WHO response however - here is the charge sheet:


 



  1. Very slow to declare a PHEIC because of Chinese pressure.

  2. Too soft with China from the outset, letting the PCC control the agenda.

  3. Completely ignores Taiwan at the behest of China, the country which has been most successful at combating the epidemic from the outset.

  4. Did not recommend that cruises and holidays in the region be curtailed from the outset.

  5. Was ludicrously late in declaring a pandemic.

  6. Gave wrong advice about the effectiveness of strong border controls and port screening, the most effective mechanisms at preventing spread.


I wrote here back in February that "the WHO had been behind the curve from the outset", to much derision from some. But I stand 100% behind that.

New world order coming.
speckledjim
15 April 2020 10:16:14
Primary schools have now reopened in Denmark and the German government are meeting today to discuss an easing of restrictions with scientists recommending that school are reopened. There seems to be mixed views from scientists on the benefit of schools being closed during the ooutbreak.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52180783 
Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Brian Gaze
15 April 2020 10:19:55

This is very concerning:


Just 1,000 care workers have been tested, minister reveals, as virus spreads to more than 2,000 homes


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-latest-news-care-home-death-toll-lift-lockdown/


 

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Brian Gaze
15 April 2020 10:27:51

Some things don't change. Apparently 2 millions Brits could lose their jobs but there still aren't enough workers to pick fruit and veg. 




Coronavirus: Pickers flown in to plug farmwork gap



British farmers are being forced to fly in fruit and vegetable pickers from Romania using specialist charter jets to keep up with demand during the coronavirus lockdown.

The first charter flight operating between Bucharest and London Stansted will land tomorrow, bringing about 180 farm workers to the UK from eastern Europe. The plane is the first of up to six to operate in the coming months to keep farms staffed with labourers.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-pickers-flown-in-to-plug-farmwork-gap-vvglpxks2
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Heavy Weather 2013
15 April 2020 10:28:19

Primary schools have now reopened in Denmark and the German government are meeting today to discuss an easing of restrictions with scientists recommending that school are reopened. There seems to be mixed views from scientists on the benefit of schools being closed during the ooutbreak.

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 

">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52180783


I think these nations will regret this 

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
ozone_aurora
15 April 2020 10:31:19


 


 


Just made me think when most get a cold, one cold they receive is not like the next and the symptoms often differ i.e. more of a sore throat, headache, phlegm. Some of these can be very mild but hit you with a chest infection later on as well. Whether the differences are the strains, your make up, or there are other factors at work.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


I always wondered about that myself. I'm always wanted to find out what specific virus strains that are doing the rounds & how it affects different people (especially unusual symptoms), but feel very frustrated about lack of information & interest.

I think there should have been a lot more research into cold like viruses during the last few decades. These may even play a part in causing developmental disorders, such as Autism or Tourette's (these are more common on boys due to weaker immune system). Also, perhaps Chronic Fatigue Syndrome was caused by a virus. It was quite common in the late 1980's & 1990's but rarely hear about it now.


3 years ago, had flu like symptoms one weekend; it was followed by rapid recovery but only to occur again the weekend 2 weeks later, followed by rapid recovery. Most likely reinfection.

The strangest cold I ever had (well now I think it is), was in 1989. There was little runny nose, but had a strong sore throat, fever, followed by coughing. Strangely OCD set the later stage at that time for the very 1st time. Thought it was co-incidence at the time. Never thought colds could be associated with mental disorders at the time.

Hope someone can discuss about the above.

 

Roger Parsons
15 April 2020 10:38:38


I strongly believe that the human population will always be regulated naturally as Malthus said. Either by war, famine or disease


Or the planet will cull us with climate change!


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I can see why you might accept that, Beast, but the inescapable truth is that we have long departed from "natural" ways or regulation, for which most of us should be grateful. Vaccination, antibiotics, birth control.... Who knows where our decisions today will lead long term?


Some time back Bertie recommended the book "After London" dealing with the aftermath of such a dystopian collapse. You might enjoy it - I did.


https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/after-london-1911


Roger


 

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John p
15 April 2020 10:44:09


">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52180783

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I think these nations will regret this 



And watch others follow them like sheep. 

Also, why Primary schools first?  Little kids are mucky blighters and will act as super spreaders. 
My wife is a teacher and I’m not comfortable with this in terms of safety (high viral load potential). 

Camberley, Surrey
Heavy Weather 2013
15 April 2020 10:50:54


 


I think these nations will regret this 


Originally Posted by: John p 


And watch others follow them like sheep. 

Also, why Primary schools first?  Little kids are mucky blighters and will act as super spreaders. 
My wife is a teacher and I’m not comfortable with this in terms of safety (high viral load potential). 



I think you right John. Let’s also not forget, primary school kids tend to be dropped off by their parents. They will all go along and natter. 


All you will have is mass gatherings of adults countrywide both in the morning and afternoon.

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Maunder Minimum
15 April 2020 10:52:33


 


I think these nations will regret this


And watch others follow them like sheep. 

Also, why Primary schools first?  Little kids are mucky blighters and will act as super spreaders. 
My wife is a teacher and I’m not comfortable with this in terms of safety (high viral load potential). 


Originally Posted by: John p 


That is obvious - so their parents can go to work :-)

New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
15 April 2020 11:06:16
Has anyone seen any stats which show how many middle aged people with no diagnosed underlying health conditions die from flu in a normal year? (UK or other developed country)
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Gooner
15 April 2020 11:11:22


 


That is obvious - so their parents can go to work :-)


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 most at my children's school are mums at home 

Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Northern Sky
15 April 2020 11:13:17


And watch others follow them like sheep. 

Also, why Primary schools first?  Little kids are mucky blighters and will act as super spreaders. 
My wife is a teacher and I’m not comfortable with this in terms of safety (high viral load potential). 


Originally Posted by: John p 


I know for a fact that the unions are involved over fears for the safety of both children and staff. Schools are well known for the ease in which viruses spread. I doubt all those pushing for an early opening of schools would be so keen had they to sit in crowded rooms full of potentially asymptomatic virus spreaders themselves. 


Some of the ideas are laughable - the French claiming children should wear facemasks all day or the idea that all the children and staff should stay 2m apart - like there is any chance of that happening! In Denmark schools are reopening but as yet, it is far from a return to normality, with many children being kept off by concerned parents and some schools only conducting lessons outside.

ozone_aurora
15 April 2020 11:16:01


 


I can see why you might accept that, Beast, but the inescapable truth is that we have long departed from "natural" ways or regulation, for which most of us should be grateful. Vaccination, antibiotics, birth control.... Who knows where our decisions today will lead long term?


Some time back Bertie recommended the book "After London" dealing with the aftermath of such a dystopian collapse. You might enjoy it - I did.


https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/after-london-1911


Roger


 


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


Fully agree with you. There's nothing anything supernatural about the "natural" ways or regulation, & certainly not with viruses (their characteristics is to do with Chemistry). There's nothing wrong with making human progress for a better world. We just have to be careful & do these things correctly; i.e., not pollute the environment.


 

NickR
15 April 2020 11:17:35


 


I know for a fact that the unions are involved over fears for the safety of both children and staff. Schools are well known for the ease in which viruses spread. I doubt all those pushing for an early opening of schools would be so keen had they to sit in crowded rooms full of potentially asymptomatic virus spreaders themselves. 


Some of the ideas are laughable - the French claiming children should wear facemasks all day or the idea that all the children and staff should stay 2m apart - like there is any chance of that happening! In Denmark schools are reopening but as yet, it is far from a return to normality, with many children being kept off by concerned parents and some schools only conducting lessons outside.


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


The potential for 2 classes of student in terms of knowledge and learning is massive. I don't think Schools should be opened from this social perspective: you will have children who are drastically behind because their home situation means they cannot go to school.

Nick
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Northern Sky
15 April 2020 11:18:23



Fully agree with you. There's nothing anything supernatural about the "natural" ways or regulation, & certainly not with viruses (their characteristics is to do with Chemistry). There's nothing wrong with making human progress for a better world. We just have to be careful & do these things correctly; i.e., not pollute the environment.


 


Originally Posted by: ozone_aurora 


Agree very much with both yours and Rogers posts.

Heavy Weather 2013
15 April 2020 11:52:35
A further 84 deaths confirmed in Scotland
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
fairweather
15 April 2020 12:17:11


 


 The 14-day incubation period is the real problem here, as it means spreading is inevitable as people won't realise they have it.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Is it 14 days now? I don't know why I thought it was 7. Maybe it it was 7-14 days, must vary I guess.

S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
15 April 2020 12:22:06


. I fully expect a more deadly second wave during the autumn and winter, FWIW, followed by a vaccine next year. 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


I would too if they widely lift restrictions. If there are controlled returns to normality with people continuing social distancing ( and why wouldn't you), keeping hospital numbers down by stricter controls on the old and vulnerable and short sharp lock downs if things start rising quickly I see a number of smaller peaks and less deaths until there is herd immunity or a vaccine.

S.Essex, 42m ASL
ozone_aurora
15 April 2020 12:22:49


 


Is it 14 days now? I don't know why I thought it was 7. Maybe it it was 7-14 days, must vary I guess.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


The incubation period is on average 5 days but may range from 2 to 14 days.

John p
15 April 2020 12:23:39


 


Is it 14 days now? I don't know why I thought it was 7. Maybe it it was 7-14 days, must vary I guess.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


The WHO guidelines say it is 14 days, but only 7 if you’re a British cabinet minister.

Camberley, Surrey
John p
15 April 2020 12:24:40

A further 84 deaths confirmed in Scotland

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


That doesn’t bode well for the rest of today’s figures.  I think Scotland had 40 yesterday.

Camberley, Surrey

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