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Rob K
16 January 2019 12:44:50


 


Have they? The mean for the range you have quoted rises from -5C to -2C and the main colder cluster just below the mean from -6C to -4C. 


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


I think you're looking at them backwards. The 0Z was the top chart, the 6Z was the bottom one. The means are as follows, from Jan 22 to Jan 27, midnight each day (to nearest whole degree). 


 


0Z ... 6Z


-3 .... -4


-3 .... -3


-2 .... -3


-2 .... -2


-1 .... -2


-1 .... -4


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Whether Idle
16 January 2019 12:57:18


 


 


My hunch is we'll continue to see bonkers cold output at day 10+ until late March. 


Originally Posted by: kmoorman 


As things stand this winter is running at 2c above the LTA, which categorises it as being on track to be one of the mildest ever.  The model output needs to deliver some sutained cold to change that story, we are today half way through meteorological winter, and what a mild one it has been so far.


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BJBlake
16 January 2019 13:19:31

GFS 06z says were back on for marginal cold spell if snow is what you are after: although it a slight upgrade from the 00z this morning:



 


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Brian Gaze
16 January 2019 13:21:58


 


As things stand this winter is running at 2c above the LTA, which categorises it as being on track to be one of the mildest ever.  The model output needs to deliver some sutained cold to change that story, we are today half way through meteorological winter, and what a mild one it has been so far.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


2 over par? We'd probably be 2 under if the models had been on the money. It's a fascinating winter IMO. Nature says it's crazily mild but the machines keep telling us it's going to be cold.


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BJBlake
16 January 2019 13:24:51

Just for fun:


https://images.meteociel.fr/im/3696/anim_cvg6.gif


 


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Rob K
16 January 2019 13:32:18


 It's a fascinating winter IMO. Nature says it's crazily mild but the machines keep telling us it's going to be cold.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Always the way - if the UK existed 240 hours into the future (in NWP terms) we'd have the climate of Newfoundland 


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briggsy6
16 January 2019 13:34:39


 


2 over par? We'd probably be 2 under if the models had been on the money. It's a fascinating winter IMO. Nature says it's crazily mild but the machines keep telling us it's going to be cold.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


All that proves is never trust a machine. Which is why AI isn't going to be putting us all out of a job anytime soon, despite the sensationalist claims and scare stories in the tabloid end of the media.


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Rob K
16 January 2019 13:41:43

Does anyone have a link to the ECM weekly temperature anomaly maps (EC46 I think?)

The last ones I saw were very cold, but they were starting on about January 9 as I recall, so presumably have updated by now./ I didn't save the link and can't find the post now.


 


Edit - don't worry, found the page. http://effis.jrc.ec.europa.eu/applications/monthly-forecast/


 


Initialised a couple of days ago now, but still showing a solid cold signal, with most of the UK 2-3C below average through to February.


Having said that I'm sure they showed the same thing for last week last time round!


 


Also note the dry and cold anomalies over Norway, suggesting a Scandi block setup.


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Chunky Pea
16 January 2019 13:45:36

Does anyone have a link to the ECM weekly temperature anomaly maps (EC46 I think?)

The last ones I saw were very cold, but they were starting on about January 9 as I recall, so presumably have updated by now./ I didn't save the link and can't find the post now.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Halfway down this page under 'Líkan: ec-ens'


http://brunnur.vedur.is/kort/spakort/


 


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tallyho_83
16 January 2019 14:00:33


Does anyone have a link to the ECM weekly temperature anomaly maps (EC46 I think?)

The last ones I saw were very cold, but they were starting on about January 9 as I recall, so presumably have updated by now./ I didn't save the link and can't find the post now.


 


Edit - don't worry, found the page. http://effis.jrc.ec.europa.eu/applications/monthly-forecast/


 


Initialised a couple of days ago now, but still showing a solid cold signal, with most of the UK 2-3C below average through to February.


Having said that I'm sure they showed the same thing for last week last time round!


 


Also note the dry and cold anomalies over Norway, suggesting a Scandi block setup.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Week 3 - looks so blocked and cold: - This continues into week 4 - You can see where the HP/block is!?


Many parts of the COuntry or all of country is going down between 2 and 3c below average from 28th Jan.




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JOHN NI
16 January 2019 14:51:50


 


2 over par? We'd probably be 2 under if the models had been on the money. It's a fascinating winter IMO. Nature says it's crazily mild but the machines keep telling us it's going to be cold.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I suspect the weather will catch up with machine expectations sometime between June and August. 


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kmoorman
16 January 2019 14:52:40

I don't know what this means....    0Z was awful, 6Z was mediocre?


 


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kmoorman
16 January 2019 15:00:07

Can anyone see my chart?


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Rob K
16 January 2019 15:03:45


Can anyone see my chart?


Originally Posted by: kmoorman 


Here.



 


Click for full size: https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7900/32889217418_59e363130d_o.png


 


Basically the 0Z was a big departure from recent runs and the 6Z goes back to more or less where they were before, barring a few better ones.


 


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kmoorman
16 January 2019 15:05:34


 


Here.



 


Click for full size: https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7900/32889217418_59e363130d_o.png


 


Basically the 0Z was a big departure from recent runs and the 6Z goes back to more or less where they were before, barring a few better ones.


 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Odd it doesn't appear on my post.  Thank you.


 


And yes, the norm appears to be about 60 or just above for Brighton, With the odd spike and trough.


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DPower
16 January 2019 15:18:02
Hoping to see a greater propensity for hlb's and a -AO this afternoon although not sure what the gfs will churn out. I am optimistic however of perhaps a repeat performance from the ecm 12z run of yesterday.
I have noticed the charts showing the down welling -u winds have this pinned back to the 28th now and not as negative as previously shown. They were originally progged for the 22nd. Just like the AO and NAO I suppose they are related to model runs.
Maunder Minimum
16 January 2019 15:29:54

Hoping to see a greater propensity for hlb's and a -AO this afternoon although not sure what the gfs will churn out. I am optimistic however of perhaps a repeat performance from the ecm 12z run of yesterday.
I have noticed the charts showing the down welling -u winds have this pinned back to the 28th now and not as negative as previously shown. They were originally progged for the 22nd. Just like the AO and NAO I suppose they are related to model runs.

Originally Posted by: DPower 


ICON has come out and it is


All is flat. Write off for cold spell 24 Jan time frame.


New world order coming.
fairweather
16 January 2019 15:33:47


 


I think you're looking at them backwards. The 0Z was the top chart, the 6Z was the bottom one. The means are as follows, from Jan 22 to Jan 27, midnight each day (to nearest whole degree). 


 


0Z ... 6Z


-3 .... -4


-3 .... -3


-2 .... -3


-2 .... -2


-1 .... -2


-1 .... -4


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Nope. The entire post of yours that I quoted didn't mention 0z


"GEFS now out for the 06Z and have trended a fair bit colder in the mid term for London, Jan 22-27, with the colder cluster predominating now. Control run is fairly frigid."


Yes they are better than the 0z. I thought you meant the 06z was trending lower for the period quoted not compared to the 0z. 


-3


-5


-4


-2


-3


-4


Trending milder then a colder one at the end I would say, but in the scope of variability I would say remaining between -1 and -5C


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Rob K
16 January 2019 15:50:56


 


ICON has come out and it is


All is flat. Write off for cold spell 24 Jan time frame.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


If ICON was showing cold would you consider it meant a cold spell was nailed on?  


 


ARPEGE giving a decent blob of snow for me still. And only 108hrs out. (There's also some light snow for me at 66hrs)



 


GFS also gradually ramping up Friday night snow for the south, run by run. Worth keeping an eye on...



 


Chilterns could see a dusting in two days' time if GFS has this right.


 


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
16 January 2019 15:59:37

Stunning UKMO 144h snowy slider the rollercoaster continues 


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Notty
16 January 2019 16:08:14


Stunning UKMO 144h snowy slider the rollercoaster continues 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Latest GFS seems to be trending the slider on a more southerly track to my eyes


 


Notty
Pontypool, 132m asl
Ally Pally Snowman
16 January 2019 16:11:30


 


Latest GFS seems to be trending the slider on a more southerly track to my eyes


 


Originally Posted by: Notty 


 


Yes looks similar to the UKMO.  Good start to the 12s.


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Notty
16 January 2019 16:12:22
http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2019011612/UW144-21.GIF?16-16 

Latest GFS Op at same time - http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2019011612/gfs-0-144.png?12


Not much point on looking any further down the line ... but I think I will anyway JFF :)


Notty
Pontypool, 132m asl
Maunder Minimum
16 January 2019 16:16:00

Well, no idea why ICON has gone skiing off piste - fortunately UKMO and GFS at same timeframe are OK.


New world order coming.
Arcus
16 January 2019 16:18:43
This t+100 to T+144 period still being chewed over like an old bone by the models - until that storm trajectory is resolved the chaos will continue IMO.

The Met's update would indicate they are more confident if the UKMO/GFS 12z kind of evolution though, so we'll just let the 'coaster keep on going...
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