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nsrobins
24 March 2020 14:38:52
Not good news from Spain:
Spain has reported a record 514 deaths in a single day, bringing the total number of fatalities there to 2,696

Fingers crossed for the UK numbers which might be showing signs of levelling or more likely it’s still just noise and we should expect sharp rises for the next week or so?
Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Darren S
24 March 2020 14:41:55

Just noticed that the Republic of Ireland has 1,125 cases, which at 228 cases per million is 2.5 times higher than the UK. Yet only 6 people have died, so the death rate is only 0.53%, nearly 10 times lower than the UK.


I can only assume, given that culturally ROI and UK are very similar, that they are doing much much more testing than here?


Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
Gavin D
24 March 2020 14:57:33
Some good news from the commons. Health Minister Nadine Dorries has returned to the front bench having recovered from coronavirus.
speckledjim
24 March 2020 15:04:40


 


I'm not sure Brian , I'd never expect huge daily numbers from those anyway  , of course as we've discussed really depends on the amount of testing that is taking place 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Why does the number of deaths depend on the amount of testing or am I am reading your statement incorrectly?


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
nouska
24 March 2020 15:07:27


 


 


Some fascinating snippets of extremely useful info there. I'm especially intrigued that 46.5% of infections on the Diamond Princess were asymptomatic - remarkable given the age demographics (as far as I've read), and almost a fifth experienced no symptoms whatsoever. 


This virus is still bewildering in how it affects different people so differently. 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


A suggestion that viral load plays a large part in severity.


Perhaps those infected by contaminated surfaces had a minuscule amount and therefore slight or no symptoms. Compare to data in this article where ENT clinicians are ending up in ICU with a high fatality outcome. The majority of cases will be on a sliding scale between those extremes.


 


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/health/coronavirus-symptoms-smell-taste.html


(...)


“There is evolving evidence that otolaryngologists are among the highest risk group when performing upper airway surgeries and examinations,” said a notice posted on the academy’s website on Friday. “A high rate of transmission of Covid-19 to otolaryngologists has been reported from China, Italy and Iran, many resulting in death.”


Dr. Rachel Kaye, an assistant professor of otolaryngology at Rutgers, said colleagues in New Rochelle, N.Y., which has been the center of an outbreak, first alerted her to the smell loss associated with the coronavirus, sharing that patients who had first complained of anosmia later tested positive for the coronavirus. “This raised a lot of alarms for me personally,” Dr. Kaye said, because those patients “won’t know to self quarantine.”

Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 15:07:35


Just noticed that the Republic of Ireland has 1,125 cases, which at 228 cases per million is 2.5 times higher than the UK. Yet only 6 people have died, so the death rate is only 0.53%, nearly 10 times lower than the UK.


I can only assume, given that culturally ROI and UK are very similar, that they are doing much much more testing than here?


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


We are only testing people who are hospitalised and those working in the NHS, plus some others.


Perhaps the ROI is testing more widely than that.


New world order coming.
John p
24 March 2020 15:08:00
Unless they invoke the 25th amendment soon, Trump is going to allow the virus to rip through the country in an attempt to keep the economy going.
He, and all his supporters, make me sick.
Camberley, Surrey
Brian Gaze
24 March 2020 15:17:18

After giving it more thought my guess is UK death numbers will dip in the short term before rising again by the end of the week. By the middle of next week I'm thinking around 70 to 120 daily. 


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Quantum
24 March 2020 15:19:12


After giving it more thought my guess is UK death numbers will dip in the short term before rising again by the end of the week. By the middle of next week I'm thinking around 70 to 120 daily. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


A dip would not be too suprising given the recent confirmed cases data. It may shed some light on that, if we don't see a dip that would imply the wierdness going on in the confirmed cases is just some statistical artifact.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
chelseagirl
24 March 2020 15:25:08

I’ve just read that Lidl and Waitrose are lifting the contactless limit to £45. Is that amount enough? We have been told to limit our visits to supermarkets, and I certainly did anyway, as I hate food shopping, and when I could still go out I used Apple Pay anyway to avoid keypads. So, what constitutes a weeks or even a twice weekly shopping? 


The Fenlands of Cambridgeshire
Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 15:27:37

Latest from India:


"Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has announced a complete lockdown across the whole of India for the next 21 days.


In a late-night address to the nation, Modi warned 'if we are not able to manage the next 21 days, we will be pushed back 21 years.' 


Residents will only be allowed to leave their homes in an emergency or if purchasing essential supplies like medicines or groceries. 548 out of India's 728 districts had already been placed under complete lockdown following Modi's trial curfew on Sunday."



  • this confirms in my mind that the statistics coming out of countries like India and Pakistan are ridiculously low, an order of magnitude incorrect.


The official figures for India: 519 Active cases.


Absurd - they would not lock down the whole of India for such a tiny, tiny, tiny rate of infection.


New world order coming.
nsrobins
24 March 2020 15:33:17


Latest from India:


"Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has announced a complete lockdown across the whole of India for the next 21 days.


In a late-night address to the nation, Modi warned 'if we are not able to manage the next 21 days, we will be pushed back 21 years.' 


Residents will only be allowed to leave their homes in an emergency or if purchasing essential supplies like medicines or groceries. 548 out of India's 728 districts had already been placed under complete lockdown following Modi's trial curfew on Sunday."



  • this confirms in my mind that the statistics coming out of countries like India are Pakistan are ridiculously low, an order of magnitude incorrect.


The official figures for India: 519 Active cases


Absurd - they would not lock down the whole of India for such a tiny, tiny, tiny rate of infection.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Are you Beast in disguise? 😉


Surely the whole point of this is to get in early with tough intervention?


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Gavin D
24 March 2020 15:33:39
Lombardy have reported 400 new deaths a rise of 80 compared to yesterday
Brian Gaze
24 March 2020 15:34:02


I’ve just read that Lidl and Waitrose are lifting the contactless limit to £45. Is that amount enough? We have been told to limit our visits to supermarkets, and I certainly did anyway, as I hate food shopping, and when I could still go out I used Apple Pay anyway to avoid keypads. So, what constitutes a weeks or even a twice weekly shopping? 


Originally Posted by: chelseagirl 


The government is requesting the contactless limit is raised to £45. However, remember that Google Pay and Apple Pay don't have upper limits. I always use Google Pay if it is an option. 


Brian Gaze
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Brian Gaze
24 March 2020 15:35:17

Sounds like Trump is going for it:




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warrenb
24 March 2020 15:39:04


Sounds like Trump is going for it:




Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Oh dear. Let it rip seems to be the official stance of the Federal government, but the states are actually locking down. Could put the Union under strain if some states adhere to the federal government, whereas others stick to lockdown.


Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 15:40:31


Sounds like Trump is going for it:




Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


It is one approach. To be honest, there are no good options now - if it means destroying the economy, the cure is worse than the disease. Our best hope remains medical science.


The 1918 influenza epidemic led to at least 20 million premature deaths, but life went on and after the pandemic subsided - it opened the doors to the roaring Twenties. Hopefully, the 2020s won't be followed by a world war this time round.


 


New world order coming.
Lionel Hutz
24 March 2020 15:41:55


Just noticed that the Republic of Ireland has 1,125 cases, which at 228 cases per million is 2.5 times higher than the UK. Yet only 6 people have died, so the death rate is only 0.53%, nearly 10 times lower than the UK.


I can only assume, given that culturally ROI and UK are very similar, that they are doing much much more testing than here?


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Yes, there is more testing here. About 2,000 tests a day were being done last week and they're hoping to get that up to 6,000 a day this week. Given that UK population is about 13 times higher than that of RoI, 2,000 tests a day here would be equivalent to 26,000 a day in the UK. Just goes to show the difficulties of comparing statistics from country to country.   


Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



Brian Gaze
24 March 2020 15:45:31


 


Yes, there is more testing here. About 2,000 tests a day were being done last week and they're hoping to get that up to 6,000 a day this week. Given that UK population is about 13 times higher than that of RoI, 2,000 tests a day here would be equivalent to 26,000 a day in the UK.   


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


Impressive. In the UK we appear to be struggling to getting about 5,000 to 6,000 per day despite being a much bigger country. 


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 15:50:17


 


Impressive. In the UK we appear to be struggling to getting about 5,000 to 6,000 per day despite being a much bigger country. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I doubt that it is a "struggle" Brian, it is deliberate policy.


I can understand why too. The real numbers are going to be huge and what would be the benefit to the wider public of knowing them?


All the headline figures are fictive in any case. The official count of worldwide cases is approaching 400K as we speak, yet the real number is going to be tens or hundreds of millions.


 


New world order coming.
Lionel Hutz
24 March 2020 15:51:17


 


It is one approach. To be honest, there are no good options now - if it means destroying the economy, the cure is worse than the disease. Our best hope remains medical science.


The 1918 influenza epidemic led to at least 20 million premature deaths, but life went on and after the pandemic subsided - it opened the doors to the roaring Twenties. Hopefully, the 2020s won't be followed by a world war this time round.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


However, if Covid 19 is running rampant, that's going to wreck your economy anyway. After all, pubs and hotels are going to be semi closed anyway if the infection rate gets bad enough. The hope is that if we can get it under control, the restrictions can be relatively short lived(even if lighter restrictions may need to remain in place for some time longer).


 


Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 15:53:43


 


However, if Covid 19 is running rampant, that's going to wreck your economy anyway. After all, pubs and hotels are going to be semi closed anyway if the infection rate gets bad enough. The hope is that if we can get it under control, the restrictions can be relatively short lived(even if lighter restrictions may need to remain in place for some time longer).


 


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


Nobody knows. The CFR drops dramatically if far more people have it than the stats show. I am not advocating anything at the moment, but I am simply pointing out that we won't know what the best approach was until we look back in a couple of years.


We should be looking at how society coped with Spanish flu for comparison.


New world order coming.
Heavy Weather 2013
24 March 2020 15:53:58


After giving it more thought my guess is UK death numbers will dip in the short term before rising again by the end of the week. By the middle of next week I'm thinking around 70 to 120 daily. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


These are my thoughts as well. We have seen that in the previous 3 days we have seen 40% of our total positive cases. With a lag between diagnosis and death I suspect that death rates will sadly increase dramatically this weekend and beyond.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Gooner
24 March 2020 15:55:37

422  death figures UK


8,077 cases 


That's a jump


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Heavy Weather 2013
24 March 2020 15:55:41

+1,427 new cases (6,650 yesterday), +87 new deaths (335 yesterday)


OMG


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

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