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Gooner
15 November 2020 18:42:08

GEFS showing plenty of blocking scenarios 


Good to see 


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SJV
15 November 2020 18:53:21


GEFS showing plenty of blocking scenarios 


Good to see 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Enjoying the rollercoaster at this early stage, Gooner? Or feeling nauseous? 


 

tallyho_83
15 November 2020 19:53:53
Does anyone know where I may find the KEY to this chart!?

https://apps.ecmwf.int/webapps/opencharts/products/extended-zonal-mean-zonal-wind?area=nh&base_time=202011120000 

I assume the thick blue is the ENS mean?

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Gooner
15 November 2020 20:58:48


 


Enjoying the rollercoaster at this early stage, Gooner? Or feeling nauseous? 


 


Originally Posted by: SJV 


LOL I seem to have started early 


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Gooner
15 November 2020 22:52:24


HP over Scandi starting to build on the 18z 


JFF of course 


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Banbury
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Gandalf The White
16 November 2020 00:21:57



HP over Scandi starting to build on the 18z 


JFF of course 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


With the jet stream profile I’m afraid ‘JFF’ is as good as it will get until that changes.


Still about two weeks before meteorological winter starts.


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DEW
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16 November 2020 07:02:09

GFS still the theme of LPs sliding past N Scotland with a close approach on Thu 19th; after that more HP in the mix and LPs further away than yesterday (ECM spotted that) with ridge from S keeping LPs particularly distant Sun 22nd (+/- a day) and again a week later. A weak Lp splits off and down to Iberia Tue 1st


GEFS dip in temp Fri 20th shortlived and above average for the following week (Scotland has a double dip with another low point on 23rd); then a slow decline to a little below norm by Wed 2nd but with poor agreement. Rain around from time to time esp in W but less than forecast yesterday


ECM agrees up  to ridge on Mon 23rd but then has a S=ly tracking depression to Brittany Thu 26th though it looks as if the main Atlantic flow will resume after this end-of-run


FAX has LP further S than other models


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ballamar
16 November 2020 07:33:30
ECM the pick for some cold, but it would be likely any cold would be to the East with the Azores linking and spoiling any Eastern promise!
Brian Gaze
16 November 2020 09:35:55

ECMENS mean to me suggests some support for blocking in late Nov and early Dec. Also fits in with some of the recent GEFS35 output.



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ballamar
16 November 2020 11:19:24
GFS interesting run at least nice easterly flow not overly cold but nice to see
Argyle77
16 November 2020 11:20:17
Signs the models are keen for an Easterly to develop,with both gfs and ECM signing from the same hymn sheet.Long way to go yet as we all know from Easterlies,prorbably be gone by the next run.
Gooner
16 November 2020 11:23:55




Interesting to say the least from GFS 6z 


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Gooner
16 November 2020 11:27:12



End of the month snow , nice to see . Lets hope for some consistency 


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Russwirral
16 November 2020 11:50:32

Same charts as above - different view


Probably the wintriest chart Ive seen - maybe this year?


GFS flexing its winter muscles



nsrobins
16 November 2020 13:09:45
I’ve made a resolution this season not to be hoodwinked by discrete GEFS runs and prefer the much broader cluster and mean view. That said there is a tangible trend later this month towards height rises to the North and East. Slowly Monkey and all that 🙂
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Gandalf The White
16 November 2020 13:28:12

I’ve made a resolution this season not to be hoodwinked by discrete GEFS runs and prefer the much broader cluster and mean view. That said there is a tangible trend later this month towards height rises to the North and East. Slowly Monkey and all that :)

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


 


Indeed; a new winter season beckons but the usual tried and tested caveats apply: consistency, cross-model and ensemble support.  Arguably this includes the array of high resolution models and means that until we’re down to T+72 there’s still going to be some level of uncertainty.


Still, some support amongst the ensemble members for the op.


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Brian Gaze
16 November 2020 13:39:19

GFS 6z animation I tweeted earlier




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Jeff
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16 November 2020 13:54:53

I’ve made a resolution this season not to be hoodwinked by discrete GEFS runs and prefer the much broader cluster and mean view. That said there is a tangible trend later this month towards height rises to the North and East. Slowly Monkey and all that :)

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


 


I think the trend you describe also has to appear and then disappear twice in the ensemble, and then finally reappear for the third time before it can be taken seriously. At my reckoning, this “easterly” trend has now done that (or has it?) 


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Gooner
16 November 2020 16:31:53


Consistency at least from GFS in terms of the HP setting up 



Cold air edging ever closer 


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ballamar
16 November 2020 16:34:37
Looks like a cold high over the UK on this run
Ally Pally Snowman
16 November 2020 16:36:34

Looks like November following the pattern of so much of this year warm first 3 weeks of the month cooler final week.


 


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ballamar
16 November 2020 16:41:54
That finger of warm 850’s could give a decent Scandi high on this run
Gandalf The White
16 November 2020 16:52:06

That finger of warm 850’s could give a decent Scandi high on this run

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


It seems that the upper high is retrogressing towards the Greenland area and potentially opening the door to the jet diving south out of the Arctic towards Scandinavia. But the key is the recurrence of the upper blocking high across recent runs.


Still a long long way to go.


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130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


doctormog
16 November 2020 16:56:48

Meanwhile there is the chance of some northern parts seeing a few flakes of snow or wintry showers in less than three days time.

More seasonal (and brief!) than exciting https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_72_2.png 



Gooner
16 November 2020 16:58:43


Excellent run from GFS 


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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