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Jiries
19 August 2022 18:06:58


 


Hmmm, I'm pretty sure a flow from the SW would come from the Atlantic, no?  Do you mean the SE? The chart shows a pretty complex SE flow for the South of the country but a SW flow the further north you go, much like recent times.


 


Looks pretty usable to me, not too hot but unfortunately not much rain either, here at least.


Originally Posted by: tierradelfuego 


The flow would be from the SE toward South UK then swing inland SW flow further north but should be sunny as the air source is not from the deep Atlantic but from continent, via UK landmass so not picking up moisture at all.  Might be different matter for Ireland under huge HP cell.

tierradelfuego
19 August 2022 18:09:04


 


The flow would be from the SE toward South UK then swing inland SW flow further north but should be sunny as the air source is not from the deep Atlantic but from continent, via UK landmass so not picking up moisture at all.  Might be different matter for Ireland under huge HP cell.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 


 


Yes agreed, hence why I asked if you meant SE when you said SW.


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19 August 2022 21:47:58


 


It'll be very, very bad news for Astronomers. 


 


Originally Posted by: ozone_aurora 


Only for the UK amateur variety. Professionals do it from remote mountain tops or increasingly from satellites.


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Rob K
19 August 2022 22:21:10


 


By looking at the modelled cloud cover. Which is very cloudy again, indeed more ridiculously so on GFS than the 06z. No sunny day (by which I mean 50% or less cloud cover)in the Southern half of Britain before September. 


Originally Posted by: TimS 


Isn’t GFS cloud modelling total junk though?


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20 August 2022 05:34:00


 


Isn’t GFS cloud modelling total junk though?


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


It’s not great if you want local specifics but for the general picture it’s fine. ICON is very similar for first 180 hours, and ECM which is also not great for cloud accuracy looks v similar.


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20 August 2022 06:49:11

Dated June 28th - has anyone noticed a difference?


https://www.noaa.gov/news-release/us-supercomputers-for-weather-and-climate-forecasts-get-major-bump


 


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Nick Gilly
20 August 2022 07:11:18


Dated June 28th - has anyone noticed a difference?


https://www.noaa.gov/news-release/us-supercomputers-for-weather-and-climate-forecasts-get-major-bump


Originally Posted by: DEW 


There won't be any difference yet to the likes of GFS. From that article:

The new supercomputers will enable an upgrade to the U.S. Global Forecast System (GFS) this fall


So it looks like the GFS model will get an enhancement in the autumn.

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20 August 2022 07:17:36

WX charts - in any other summer week 1 would be reckoned warm for August but W Europe is a little cooler than it has been for some time. Then in week 2, heat from the S moves up again and even N Scotland sees a share of it. Meanwhile Germany and Poland cool from week 1 to week 2, and most of Scandinavia along with W Russia cools sharply over this period. Rain well distributed over W Europe week 1, diminishing to a narrow band from the Baltic to Italy week2 with drought returning to Spain, France (except the mountains) and Britain.


GFS Op - light W-lies for Britain to Thu 25th with LP up near Iceland after which HP moves up from the SW and amalgamates with that over Scandinavia to be well ensconced over the British Isles 1030mb Tue 30th, and there it stays; a deep LP developing over the Baltic makes no impression, and a tentative ex-hurricane appearing Sun 4th is still a couple of thousand miles to the SW.


GEFS - becoming warmer to a peak on Thu 25th after which the mean drops back to a steady 2C or so above norm, but agreement between ens member is uncertain. More rain than WX charts suggest but still not a lot, sporadic but could happen any time in the S, further N occasional large totals in some ens members at various times depending on how far W/N/E the location is.


ECM - differs from GFS after Thu 25th with the final LP of the sequence near Iceland moving SE 1005mb Hebrides Sat 27th and no rise of pressure from the SW. This LP links with lower pressure over Scandinavia and by Tue 30th this system in conjunction with a new ridge of HP from Greenland to Portugal put Britain under light N-lies.


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Jiries
20 August 2022 07:33:20


 


It’s not great if you want local specifics but for the general picture it’s fine. ICON is very similar for first 180 hours, and ECM which is also not great for cloud accuracy looks v similar.


Originally Posted by: TimS 


I check it myself and it look really sunny and great weather next week and in to the BH weekend with HP moving east so warm and sunny the outcome after average temperatures during the week.

The Beast from the East
20 August 2022 07:45:36

ECM and GEM looking cold, might need to start firing up those boilers soon! Energy crisis here we come


 


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Jiries
20 August 2022 08:01:09


ECM and GEM looking cold, might need to start firing up those boilers soon! Energy crisis here we come


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Yes colder in London than the Midlands as it going for 21-24C next 10 days on the apps with sunshine so no heating needed.

Matty H
20 August 2022 09:35:43
I don’t think I’ve ever put the heating on before late October let alone summer

Certainly a fresher feel now, but still warm. It’s nice
doctormog
20 August 2022 09:41:19


ECM and GEM looking cold, might need to start firing up those boilers soon! Energy crisis here we come


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


The GEM is not cold and the ECM is a colder option (colder outlier up here) by day 10 before then it’s not especially cold either.


Hungry Tiger
20 August 2022 09:51:21

I don’t think I’ve ever put the heating on before late October let alone summer

Certainly a fresher feel now, but still warm. It’s nice


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Heating time for me is usually first week of October.


 


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Brian Gaze
20 August 2022 13:33:59

I wonder if the quiet (so far) hurricane season could lead to a cool and wet September in the UK?


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Hungry Tiger
20 August 2022 13:40:06


I wonder if the quiet (so far) hurricane season could lead to a cool and wet September in the UK?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Hmmm - Beacuse a busy Atlantic re hurricanes usually means a warm dry and settled September.


 


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Retron
20 August 2022 13:46:55


I wonder if the quiet (so far) hurricane season could lead to a cool and wet September in the UK?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Would be nice. We've not had any cool months this year so far.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/graphs/2022/daily_meantemp_cet_2022.png


(And for reference, https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/graphs/2021/daily_meantemp_cet_2021.png ) - the last sustained cool period was May 2021!)


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Bow Echo
20 August 2022 13:50:08


I wonder if the quiet (so far) hurricane season could lead to a cool and wet September in the UK?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I note that  NOAA Hurricane Hunter is tasked to investigate Potential TD4 in the Gulf of Mexico near the Mouth of The Rio Grande today. I doubt it will have time to form much more due to landfall later today. However, there are numerous disturbances and waves poised to exit the African coast later this week. There have been quite a few already, but little development, possibly due to large quantities of Saharan dust that have been impeding formation. This is now dispersing. Sticking my neck out, I can see potential for more robust development within, say, the next week. We shall see. EDIT: Select Mission 02 for live updates from the Invest aircraft. http://aircraft.myfoxhurricane.com/recon/ click on the Dropsonde image for descent data.


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ozone_aurora
20 August 2022 14:54:26


I wonder if the quiet (so far) hurricane season could lead to a cool and wet September in the UK?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Unsettled, wet Septembers have been a rarity in the SE half of UK since 2002. They were more common in the 1990's, with regular thunder in  southern North Sea and the English Channel.

ozone_aurora
20 August 2022 14:55:42


 


Hmmm - Beacuse a busy Atlantic re hurricanes usually means a warm dry and settled September.


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Yes, indeed. They seem to push low pressures (as ET Cyclones) well to the N of UK.

Matty H
20 August 2022 15:19:51



Yes, indeed. They seem to push low pressures (as ET Cyclones) well to the N of UK.


Originally Posted by: ozone_aurora 


It’s the jetstream that does that. 


Personally I would think a less active hurricane season was more conducive to a drier, more settled ultimately warmer autumn. Let’s face it, autumn is pretty much a warm season nowadays. Down here anyway 


ozone_aurora
20 August 2022 15:26:36


 


It’s the jetstream that does that. 


Personally I would think a less active hurricane season was more conducive to a drier, more settled ultimately warmer autumn. Let’s face it, autumn is pretty much a warm season nowadays. Down here anyway 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


It certainly is, especially in Suffolk where I used to live (Lowestoft).

fairweather
20 August 2022 15:36:00


 


It'll be very, very bad news for Astronomers. 


 

Originally Posted by: ozone_aurora 


Indeed - as if things couldn't get any worse for me weatherwise! Now coming into the moonless two weeks and peak Milky Way season and I was planning on doing some Milky way landscape shots. Still almost no rain at all for three months and now cloud but no rain. 


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fairweather
20 August 2022 15:38:13

Not been able to pop in for a couple of days. What happened to the day's rain spreading in from the west Sunday night/Monday??


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20 August 2022 15:43:36
The very wet second half of September 1999 was associated with Hurricane Floyd. That was a really odd month , being 11 days of crazy heatwave and bone dry conditions at the start followed by three weeks of washout but still very warm all the while .

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