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Ally Pally Snowman
Wednesday, May 22, 2024 7:49:22 PM
Very volatile output atm. But both the ECM 12z and GFS 12z have a go at a plume. Probably no better than a 50% chance but something to look out for as a cut off low to our w/sw keeps showing up recently. 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&run=12&time=240&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=24#mapref 

 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
fairweather
Wednesday, May 22, 2024 9:09:36 PM

I'm struggling to know what to expect at the moment. Initially this week was looking quite nice, then yesterday the BBC week ahead forecast looked fairly disastrous, with rain moving in by Thursday.

This morning I check the models and ARPEGE keeps most of the country dry apart from a few showers, with the band of rain mostly kept out in the North Sea to the east. 

GFS looks somewhat wetter this week but settles things down after the weekend.

ECM also not too bad but potentially a rather threatening little centre of low pressure hanging around over the south next week.

UKMO looks the worst of the bunch by a mile.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


It will go down in my book as some of the worst forecasting short term by models and forecasters alike for some years. I paid a lot of attention to detail late Sunday night and Monday morning. The forecast was for rain spreading in from the East affecting East Anglia (mainly the northern part) and then N.E and Northern England. No mention of it being particularly heavy. The South coast was predicted as being warm, dry and sunny on Tuesday then hazy sunshine on Wednesday with the risk of some showers later. So I booked my trip for some photography in the New Forest and Arne and set out at 5.00am. Tuesday morning was indeed glorious there but it became cloudy and cool after lunch and was raining by late afternoon. It then rained most of the night and pretty much all day Wednesday with a few short drier spells. Meanwhile, back in Essex the rain set in early and didn't stop. Tuesday and Wednesday giving my highest 24 hr total of the year - 30.5mm. ANd the BBC are still pretending it didn't happen in the south with tonight's graphic showing the rain and front moving north with the south of England being shown as dry. Frankly shocking.
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Ally Pally Snowman
Thursday, May 23, 2024 6:38:38 AM
Sadly no plumes this morning.  The weather has gone the way of the pear. More wind and rain for the next week . HLB not helping it needs to sod off sharpish otherwise early summer will likely be poor.
 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
moomin75
Thursday, May 23, 2024 7:02:58 AM

Sadly no plumes this morning.  The weather has gone the way of the pear. More wind and rain for the next week . HLB not helping it needs to sod off sharpish otherwise early summer will likely be poor.
 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Indeed Ally. Starting to feel bad vibes about this summer. It just cannot settle down for any length of time and with ground still saturated in many areas with a very high water table, I hope we are not staring down the barrel of 2007/2012 revisited. 
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Ally Pally Snowman
Thursday, May 23, 2024 7:18:59 AM

Indeed Ally. Starting to feel bad vibes about this summer. It just cannot settle down for any length of time and with ground still saturated in many areas with a very high water table, I hope we are not staring down the barrel of 2007/2012 revisited. 

Originally Posted by: moomin75 



Could be a poor summer but normally the summer pattern doesn't kick in until late June.  So we have time but next week or so looks very poor. HLB is the issue. 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Matty H
Thursday, May 23, 2024 7:22:48 AM
Have to say I’m baffled at the MetO text forecasts for here for the weekend and next week. All about dry and settled yet I can find very little in the models that suggests this. The opposite actually. An unsettled weekend and all next week looks crap as well with bands of rain and showers moving west to east 
GezM
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Thursday, May 23, 2024 7:32:28 AM

Have to say I’m baffled at the MetO text forecasts for here for the weekend and next week. All about dry and settled yet I can find very little in the models that suggests this. The opposite actually. An unsettled weekend and all next week looks crap as well with bands of rain and showers moving west to east 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



If anything, the outlook today is even worse than yesterday. As if we haven't had enough rain already this year! 
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Osprey
Thursday, May 23, 2024 8:00:11 AM
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Ally Pally Snowman
Thursday, May 23, 2024 8:29:35 AM
Ecm mean isn't as terrible as the Op especially in the 192-240h zone. Hopefully a decent chunk of the ensembles are stalling the low out west. 🤞
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Ally Pally Snowman
Thursday, May 23, 2024 8:54:56 AM
Ecm is an unsettled outlier this morning so hopefully one for the bin. 🤞

https://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/ecmwfens_display.php?x=317&y=143&run=0&type=1&runpara=0 
 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Saint Snow
Thursday, May 23, 2024 9:21:45 AM
GFS has for days been showing that Atlantic trough having a lot of influence over us as we move through the weekend and into next week.

Other models had, at times, downplayed that influence as they showed higher pressure around the UK keeping the worst of it at a bit of an arm's length.

Typically, the GFS solution now looks most likely, with other models moving towards that broad evolution. GFS and ECM both plant the trough over the UK for a while; GEM moves it through more quickly.

ECM keeps the trough over the UK until the end of a thoroughly miserable run.

GFS into FI moves it off eastwards... then replaces it with another low, which gets trapped over the UK between high pressure to our south and north (as happens annoyingly frequently, we are in the bad and very wet spot between high pressures).

GEM's FI is a different evolution, with a big low centred over Iceland/Faroe but spreading its influence as far as NE Russia in the east and to the UK Midlands to the south. The AH is trying to nudge into the UK from the SW, though, and the southern half of the UK would be mostly dry - but bracing westerly winds.

 

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cultman1
Thursday, May 23, 2024 10:37:30 AM
Have there been any 2024 Summer forecasts published anywhere yet? I know Brian's should hopefully be made available late next week?
I concur with Moomin that this summer , at least the early part may well go down as poor based on current weather patterns 
Jiries
Thursday, May 23, 2024 12:29:02 PM

Indeed Ally. Starting to feel bad vibes about this summer. It just cannot settle down for any length of time and with ground still saturated in many areas with a very high water table, I hope we are not staring down the barrel of 2007/2012 revisited. 

Originally Posted by: moomin75 



Glad I had the conservatory installed for that very reason and the installer told me there demands for it not the AC units, it was on demand in the 90;s and early 00's summers.  Saw the app showing 24C next week with full sunshine but i don't believe an inch of it, METO/BBC Forecasts and Models still very wrong and unreliable on today age.
Jiries
Thursday, May 23, 2024 12:31:59 PM

Have to say I’m baffled at the MetO text forecasts for here for the weekend and next week. All about dry and settled yet I can find very little in the models that suggests this. The opposite actually. An unsettled weekend and all next week looks crap as well with bands of rain and showers moving west to east 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Models, forecasts and apps are all so unrelieable and rubbish best use your window to look at first then plan for today only that the absoluate max you can plan, very hard to plan next day as we had no reliable source of correct forecasts/model runs.
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Thursday, May 23, 2024 2:58:44 PM

Have there been any 2024 Summer forecasts published anywhere yet? I know Brian's should hopefully be made available late next week?
I concur with Moomin that this summer , at least the early part may well go down as poor based on current weather patterns 

Originally Posted by: cultman1 



There is a May - July contingency Met Office forecast out. Presumably it came out a few weeks ago so I'd expect a Jun-Aug one to be released soon. It's going for warmer and wetter than average with HLB the theme of early summer but with more neutral synoptics later in the period. So perhaps England will generally fare better later in the summer. What's the odds on another September heatwave!?

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/metofficegovuk/pdf/business/public-sector/civil-contingency/3moutlook_mjj_v2.pdf 
 
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Saint Snow
Thursday, May 23, 2024 3:36:48 PM

There is a May - July contingency Met Office forecast out. Presumably it came out a few weeks ago so I'd expect a Jun-Aug one to be released soon. It's going for warmer and wetter than average with HLB the theme of early summer but with more neutral synoptics later in the period. So perhaps England will generally fare better later in the summer. What's the odds on another September heatwave!?

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/metofficegovuk/pdf/business/public-sector/civil-contingency/3moutlook_mjj_v2.pdf 
 

Originally Posted by: GezM 



The best two summery months of the year being July & August would be quite the novelty these days!

 

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LeedsLad123
Thursday, May 23, 2024 5:32:52 PM

The best two summery months of the year being July & August would be quite the novelty these days!

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


That was the case in 2022 Saint. 
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Brian Gaze
Thursday, May 23, 2024 5:49:33 PM
There were data problems with yesterday's GEFS 12Z so it isn't included in this table.

Date, GEFS update, Runs hitting ~30c
Thu 23 MAY 2024 06 4 
Wed 22 MAY 2024 18 1
Wed 22 MAY 2024 06 4
Wed 22 MAY 2024 00 1
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Retron
Thursday, May 23, 2024 6:04:53 PM
Hmm, a message appeared mentioning a new set of forecast data on the MetO site - it took me to here.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/enhanced-forecast-weather-data-trial 

Obviously I turned it on. It's impressive - my complaints about the UKV data they currently use are that a) it underestimates maximum temperatures on a consistent basis and b) it underestimates the dewpoint.

Both of those points have been adjusted in the new data, whatever it is that they're using: today's high has gone from 19 to 21, for example, and the reality was 21.5.

Old:
https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/met0.jpg 
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White Meadows
Friday, May 24, 2024 4:42:53 AM
Stilll fairly cool and dull for the time of year. 20 degrees struggling to be breached on the south coast which for late May is quite astonishing. Met office continues to live on another planet with contradictory wording in the text forecasts, completely at odds with their own daily stats. ‘Maybe cloudy somewhere near London’ …vague, daft and unhelpful. 
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