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Matty H
23 May 2024 07:22:48
Have to say I’m baffled at the MetO text forecasts for here for the weekend and next week. All about dry and settled yet I can find very little in the models that suggests this. The opposite actually. An unsettled weekend and all next week looks crap as well with bands of rain and showers moving west to east 
GezM
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23 May 2024 07:32:28

Have to say I’m baffled at the MetO text forecasts for here for the weekend and next week. All about dry and settled yet I can find very little in the models that suggests this. The opposite actually. An unsettled weekend and all next week looks crap as well with bands of rain and showers moving west to east 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



If anything, the outlook today is even worse than yesterday. As if we haven't had enough rain already this year! 
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Osprey
23 May 2024 08:00:11
Early days. 
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Ally Pally Snowman
23 May 2024 08:29:35
Ecm mean isn't as terrible as the Op especially in the 192-240h zone. Hopefully a decent chunk of the ensembles are stalling the low out west. 🤞
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Ally Pally Snowman
23 May 2024 08:54:56
Ecm is an unsettled outlier this morning so hopefully one for the bin. 🤞

https://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/ecmwfens_display.php?x=317&y=143&run=0&type=1&runpara=0 
 
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Saint Snow
23 May 2024 09:21:45
GFS has for days been showing that Atlantic trough having a lot of influence over us as we move through the weekend and into next week.

Other models had, at times, downplayed that influence as they showed higher pressure around the UK keeping the worst of it at a bit of an arm's length.

Typically, the GFS solution now looks most likely, with other models moving towards that broad evolution. GFS and ECM both plant the trough over the UK for a while; GEM moves it through more quickly.

ECM keeps the trough over the UK until the end of a thoroughly miserable run.

GFS into FI moves it off eastwards... then replaces it with another low, which gets trapped over the UK between high pressure to our south and north (as happens annoyingly frequently, we are in the bad and very wet spot between high pressures).

GEM's FI is a different evolution, with a big low centred over Iceland/Faroe but spreading its influence as far as NE Russia in the east and to the UK Midlands to the south. The AH is trying to nudge into the UK from the SW, though, and the southern half of the UK would be mostly dry - but bracing westerly winds.

 

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cultman1
23 May 2024 10:37:30
Have there been any 2024 Summer forecasts published anywhere yet? I know Brian's should hopefully be made available late next week?
I concur with Moomin that this summer , at least the early part may well go down as poor based on current weather patterns 
Jiries
23 May 2024 12:29:02

Indeed Ally. Starting to feel bad vibes about this summer. It just cannot settle down for any length of time and with ground still saturated in many areas with a very high water table, I hope we are not staring down the barrel of 2007/2012 revisited. 

Originally Posted by: moomin75 



Glad I had the conservatory installed for that very reason and the installer told me there demands for it not the AC units, it was on demand in the 90;s and early 00's summers.  Saw the app showing 24C next week with full sunshine but i don't believe an inch of it, METO/BBC Forecasts and Models still very wrong and unreliable on today age.
Jiries
23 May 2024 12:31:59

Have to say I’m baffled at the MetO text forecasts for here for the weekend and next week. All about dry and settled yet I can find very little in the models that suggests this. The opposite actually. An unsettled weekend and all next week looks crap as well with bands of rain and showers moving west to east 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Models, forecasts and apps are all so unrelieable and rubbish best use your window to look at first then plan for today only that the absoluate max you can plan, very hard to plan next day as we had no reliable source of correct forecasts/model runs.
GezM
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23 May 2024 14:58:44

Have there been any 2024 Summer forecasts published anywhere yet? I know Brian's should hopefully be made available late next week?
I concur with Moomin that this summer , at least the early part may well go down as poor based on current weather patterns 

Originally Posted by: cultman1 



There is a May - July contingency Met Office forecast out. Presumably it came out a few weeks ago so I'd expect a Jun-Aug one to be released soon. It's going for warmer and wetter than average with HLB the theme of early summer but with more neutral synoptics later in the period. So perhaps England will generally fare better later in the summer. What's the odds on another September heatwave!?

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/metofficegovuk/pdf/business/public-sector/civil-contingency/3moutlook_mjj_v2.pdf 
 
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Saint Snow
23 May 2024 15:36:48

There is a May - July contingency Met Office forecast out. Presumably it came out a few weeks ago so I'd expect a Jun-Aug one to be released soon. It's going for warmer and wetter than average with HLB the theme of early summer but with more neutral synoptics later in the period. So perhaps England will generally fare better later in the summer. What's the odds on another September heatwave!?

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/metofficegovuk/pdf/business/public-sector/civil-contingency/3moutlook_mjj_v2.pdf 
 

Originally Posted by: GezM 



The best two summery months of the year being July & August would be quite the novelty these days!

 

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LeedsLad123
23 May 2024 17:32:52

The best two summery months of the year being July & August would be quite the novelty these days!

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


That was the case in 2022 Saint. 
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Brian Gaze
23 May 2024 17:49:33
There were data problems with yesterday's GEFS 12Z so it isn't included in this table.

Date, GEFS update, Runs hitting ~30c
Thu 23 MAY 2024 06 4 
Wed 22 MAY 2024 18 1
Wed 22 MAY 2024 06 4
Wed 22 MAY 2024 00 1
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Retron
23 May 2024 18:04:53
Hmm, a message appeared mentioning a new set of forecast data on the MetO site - it took me to here.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/enhanced-forecast-weather-data-trial 

Obviously I turned it on. It's impressive - my complaints about the UKV data they currently use are that a) it underestimates maximum temperatures on a consistent basis and b) it underestimates the dewpoint.

Both of those points have been adjusted in the new data, whatever it is that they're using: today's high has gone from 19 to 21, for example, and the reality was 21.5.

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White Meadows
24 May 2024 04:42:53
Stilll fairly cool and dull for the time of year. 20 degrees struggling to be breached on the south coast which for late May is quite astonishing. Met office continues to live on another planet with contradictory wording in the text forecasts, completely at odds with their own daily stats. ‘Maybe cloudy somewhere near London’ …vague, daft and unhelpful. 
Tim A
24 May 2024 06:01:20

Hmm, a message appeared mentioning a new set of forecast data on the MetO site - it took me to here.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/enhanced-forecast-weather-data-trial 

Obviously I turned it on. It's impressive - my complaints about the UKV data they currently use are that a) it underestimates maximum temperatures on a consistent basis and b) it underestimates the dewpoint.

Both of those points have been adjusted in the new data, whatever it is that they're using: today's high has gone from 19 to 21, for example, and the reality was 21.5.

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Originally Posted by: Retron 



I have been using and comparing these for a few months, I also found the temperatures better. The old model tended to underestimate greatly at 5-6 days and slowly upgrade temps ( all other things being equal) but now it's better.  Symbols still not great though for rain events though. 
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Ally Pally Snowman
24 May 2024 06:34:13

Hmm, a message appeared mentioning a new set of forecast data on the MetO site - it took me to here.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/enhanced-forecast-weather-data-trial 

Obviously I turned it on. It's impressive - my complaints about the UKV data they currently use are that a) it underestimates maximum temperatures on a consistent basis and b) it underestimates the dewpoint.

Both of those points have been adjusted in the new data, whatever it is that they're using: today's high has gone from 19 to 21, for example, and the reality was 21.5.

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Originally Posted by: Retron 




Looks an improvement basically 2 or 3c warmer. Odd though it's an "option" just make it the only data surely. 
 
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Ally Pally Snowman
24 May 2024 07:07:57
Much more high pressure this morning from the big 2. But output remains volatile so no confidence. 
 
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Brian Gaze
24 May 2024 07:30:19

Looks an improvement basically 2 or 3c warmer. Odd though it's an "option" just make it the only data surely. 
 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



There was a Met Office online forum last week (not sure if anyone here attended it) and this wasn't mentioned. However, I suspect they may be using data sets which compare model forecasts with outcomes to identify biases and then apply an adjustment. The reasons I wouldn't just put it live are:

1) You may be robbing Peter to pay Paul. There is always a chance that fixing one issue introduces a new one
2) The adjustments to temperature forecasts may not be good for all locations and /or in all scenarios
 
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Ally Pally Snowman
24 May 2024 07:59:50

There was a Met Office online forum last week (not sure if anyone here attended it) and this wasn't mentioned. However, I suspect they may be using data sets which compare model forecasts with outcomes to identify biases and then apply an adjustment. The reasons I wouldn't just put it live are:

1) You may be robbing Peter to pay Paul. There is always a chance that fixing one issue introduces a new one
2) The adjustments to temperature forecasts may not be good for all locations and /or in all scenarios
 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 



Fair enough,  The old data definitely underestimated max temps for here regularly. 
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Jiries
24 May 2024 08:07:03

Much more high pressure this morning from the big 2. But output remains volatile so no confidence. 
 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



Come to factor that we are very well over due for proper long settled spells, proper warm to hot days and importantly proper wall to wall sunny days.

It got to happen at some point much sooner, as summer season coming up, after nearly a year of unsettled, dull and bland static temps have to come to the end at some point far sooner.  We now near to the end of Spring which did not happen this year as it been Autumnal weather pattern non-stop bar few days dry less than 24 hours settled spells that won't help.  

 
GezM
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24 May 2024 08:32:07

Come to factor that we are very well over due for proper long settled spells, proper warm to hot days and importantly proper wall to wall sunny days.

It got to happen at some point much sooner, as summer season coming up, after nearly a year of unsettled, dull and bland static temps have to come to the end at some point far sooner.  We now near to the end of Spring which did not happen this year as it been Autumnal weather pattern non-stop bar few days dry less than 24 hours settled spells that won't help.  

 

Originally Posted by: Jiries 



No sign of it settling down in the near future. Perhaps less wet than it has been but no long dry spell which most of the country needs. We have to remember where we are in the UK so I think the weather for the next couple of weeks looks fairly typical for early summer. I always think it's an ominous sign when western Russia starts to hot up, like it is forecast to do next week. 
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Working at Luton Airport, Beds (160m asl)
Jiries
24 May 2024 09:31:33

No sign of it settling down in the near future. Perhaps less wet than it has been but no long dry spell which most of the country needs. We have to remember where we are in the UK so I think the weather for the next couple of weeks looks fairly typical for early summer. I always think it's an ominous sign when western Russia starts to hot up, like it is forecast to do next week. 

Originally Posted by: GezM 



UK climate before had lot of variety package that including warm sunny setttled spells that we had none anymore plus other weather type all gone all we get is not normal near 12 months of same Autumnal set up that only known to Faroes and Shetland climates.    I see tomorrow twat apps show full sunshine if true but if so will use that to correction warm up indoors after very cold sunless days lately.   Hope this BH is a repeat of last BH superb weather we last had here.
cultman1
24 May 2024 10:29:28
This BH Sunday looks like a washout for the South  and Monday only marginally better coupled with cool temperatures running through  next week 
GezM
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24 May 2024 10:37:17

This BH Sunday looks like a washout for the South  and Monday only marginally better coupled with cool temperatures running through  next week 

Originally Posted by: cultman1 



I'm at an outdoor event for most of Sunday so have been paying close attention to the local forecast. Each day it gets worse, from a few showers to widespread showers to a long period of rain 😡. I should know better than to attend anything outdoors on Bank Holiday weekends!
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