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Caz
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25 May 2024 17:50:31

Yes a poor summer would be genuinely depressing hopefully doesn't happen but output atm is a worry. 

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

It isn’t taking much for the temperature to rise though. A bit of sun and it soon goes up. 
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Ally Pally Snowman
25 May 2024 18:41:08

IMO I don’t think a year where it fails to reach 30C is even possible anymore. Even the worst summers over the past 20 years have exceeded 30C i.e 2007, 2012. Likewise I’m not sure a genuinely cold summer is possible anymore.

Last July for example was terribly wet and dull but it was still warmer than average. It would take something exceptional to get an 80s-style cold summer this day and age. 

Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 



07 and 08 only just made it by 0.1c and 0.2c I think on one day.  So for me it's definitely possible. Would take a horrendous Summer mind.
 
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Zubzero
25 May 2024 20:02:20

07 and 08 only just made it by 0.1c and 0.2c I think on one day.  So for me it's definitely possible. Would take a horrendous Summer mind.
 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



All I know is IMBY-these days it takes a unique set up to get an average month CET wise, let alone below. Wonder what kind of set up it would require to get a summer 1-2C below average¿?

Don't seem possible anymore. 
David M Porter
26 May 2024 08:41:44

IMO I don’t think a year where it fails to reach 30C is even possible anymore. Even the worst summers over the past 20 years have exceeded 30C i.e 2007, 2012. Likewise I’m not sure a genuinely cold summer is possible anymore.

Last July for example was terribly wet and dull but it was still warmer than average. It would take something exceptional to get an 80s-style cold summer this day and age. 

Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 



Last July was still warmer than average as you say, but only by about 0.2C if memory serves.

Going back a little further, I seem to recall that July 2015 returned a either a close to average or slightly below average CET overall despite it starting with the hottest July day on record in the UK at the time.
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cultman1
26 May 2024 09:53:56
This coming week continues with very changeable and coolish weather with no sign of things settling down anytime soon. The Met Office long ranger carries this theme on well into June.
Matty H
26 May 2024 10:22:39
The complete and utter dross continues for the foreseeable 
Brian Gaze
26 May 2024 10:26:30

Last July was still warmer than average as you say, but only by about 0.2C if memory serves.

Going back a little further, I seem to recall that July 2015 returned a either a close to average or slightly below average CET overall despite it starting with the hottest July day on record in the UK at the time.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 



CET Jul 2015: 16°C
1961-1990 0.1°C
1971-2000 -0.2°C
1981-2010 -0.4°C
1991-2020 -0.8°C
1659-2020 0°C
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Ally Pally Snowman
26 May 2024 10:32:04
HP does look like it's wants to build in from about 2nd June.  So a glimmer. Most output then has HP being sucked up to Greenland.  That rarely actually happens. So we might see a stronger/longer UK high being forecast soon.
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Spring Sun Winter Dread
26 May 2024 12:04:30
Summer 2011 was notably cool, the coldest since the mid 1980s.
Notable for a severe shortage of 25c+ days. 2012, 07 and 08 weren't much better 
sunny coast
26 May 2024 18:34:38

Summer 2011 was notably cool, the coldest since the mid 1980s.
Notable for a severe shortage of 25c+ days. 2012, 07 and 08 weren't much better 

Originally Posted by: Spring Sun Winter Dread 



Summer 2007 was preceded by an incredible April and 2011 the same plus a very hot May 
Matty H
27 May 2024 09:13:03
It’s so shat no one can even be bothered to comment on it 

GFS op tries to build high pressure from the south at the end. I haven’t looked at the ens so no idea if it has any support. ECM is crap. High pressure migrates west and plunges us back into rubbish
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27 May 2024 10:19:21
I'm actually cautiously encouraged by the latest charts. Both GFS and ECM Ops runs have a ridge of  high pressure pushing in later this week. Then they both go for a brief strong northerly in the 9 to 12 day range. On GFS this manages to force out the HLB and encourage high pressure to build in from the south west.
Cautious as I have no confidence this will still show in any of the future model runs! 
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Joe Bloggs
28 May 2024 07:44:36
Quite funny.

I’m logging on and hoping for the retrogression to go pear shaped and for high pressure to remain flabby over the UK rather than move to Greenland. The exact opposite of what I’d want in the winter.

However - this time - it won’t go pear shaped and we’ll get a northerly. It’s called the law of Sod. 🤣

Still - a few days of high pressure is on the cards at least.

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David M Porter
28 May 2024 08:52:00

Summer 2007 was preceded by an incredible April and 2011 the same plus a very hot May 

Originally Posted by: sunny coast 



Agree about April 2011; the Easter weekend that year was almost like mid-summer. May started well where I live but IIRC the weather broke down towards the end of the first week of the month and never really recovered properly either during the remainder of May or the summer itself. Much the same happened in 2007 and no-one will need reminding how that summer turned out.
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overland
28 May 2024 09:42:28
It has been a pretty poor spring, winter, autumn and even most of last summer wasn't great, but are things finally settling down?! Looking at the BBC symbols on their long range forecast, for here there is not a single raindrop indicated from the 31 May to the end of the run on 10 June. For the last 10 months its been rare to find a single day without a raindrop symbol and, although it is never particularly warm, it is a big improvement.

Appreciate the BBC outlook should come with a disclaimer, but even looking at the GEFS, other than a one day wonder, there is very little rain showing up.
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Saint Snow
28 May 2024 10:24:42
I tend to bracket the summers of 2007-2012 into the same box marked "load of crap". 

All were characterised by a total lack of any settled & hot spells, with plenty of unsettled weather. We had several school sports days cancelled, which was bloody annoying as my two were/are both really sporty and I love seeing them win.


Anyway, current (0z) output isn't great.... but could be worse!

All three of GFS, ECM & GEM build HP to the west of us and begin to move it eastwards towards the UK.

GFS and ECM both then have a vigorous low move over the top. GFS tracks it ESE into mid-Scandinavia. ECM has it moving more SSE down the North Sea. Both scenarios bring northerlies and southwards-sinking fronts over the UK with a fair old amount of PPN and cold air. (as an aside, the northern half of Norway would get a serious dumping of late-season snow if GFS were to come off)

GEM is different and the pick. It doesn't have the low moving over the top, and so builds the HP much closer to the UK (centred just NW of Ireland). Winds NW'ly-N'ly and the air circulating round it isn't exactly warm, but should be settled. It then migrates the high eastwards to centre first over Scotland then into Scandinavia but with a secondary 'sub' centre over the North Sea. This brings easterlies. At the end, it's ridging another Atlantic HP over across Scotland, whilst a low sets up over Biscay.

Into GFS FI and it actually follows the GEM evolution of building the HP eastwards, initially over/just north of Scotland. Then it sinks right over the UK. Nice end to FI.

 

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DEW
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29 May 2024 06:59:06
WX average temp charts still showing a very warm area over the E Baltic, much as it was a week ago, but in the meantime W Europe esp France has become definitely cool. In week 2, all change; cool weather sweeps down over the Baltic and something much warmer moves N across France, even reaching S England. The Scots should keep an eye on Norway, though, bitterly cold for the time of year. Rain in week 1 mainly for Germany, Italy and points east but nowhere in Europe dry except W Iberia. In week 2 the main area moves NE-wards but smaller patches appear for S England, Switzerland and the Balkans.

GFS Op synoptics - current shallow LP over Britain takes its time to move E-wards but is in Poland by Sat 1st with HP 1030mb reaching Ireland from the W; still N/NE-lies for N Sea coasts. This HP stays in much the same place to Mon 10th, extending its influence across Britain from time to time, but then retreats to the NW allowing a rather cold N-ly drift associated with an Arctic LP which had become established over N Norway. Final charts Thu 13th show a small low 1005mb which has developed in this drift running up the Channel.

ECM synoptics - similar to GFS at first but the HP over Ireland weakens and moves west sooner, by Fri 7th, and is then only just holding off any N-ly drift. An LP develops to the SW at that time and there is a suggestion it could move along the Channel much earlier than GFS proposes.

GEFS - generally on the cool side with some rain at first, then a little warmer and drier in the first week of June with moderately good agreement. After this the ens members diverge with mean near norm, op & control both suggesting warmer in the SE  but cooler in the N. Rain increasingly probable in the 2nd week of June.
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johncs2016
29 May 2024 07:22:49

WX average temp charts still showing a very warm area over the E Baltic, much as it was a week ago, but in the meantime W Europe esp France has become definitely cool. In week 2, all change; cool weather sweeps down over the Baltic and something much warmer moves N across France, even reaching S England. The Scots should keep an eye on Norway, though, bitterly cold for the time of year. Rain in week 1 mainly for Germany, Italy and points east but nowhere in Europe dry except W Iberia. In week 2 the main area moves NE-wards but smaller patches appear for S England, Switzerland and the Balkans.

GFS Op synoptics - current shallow LP over Britain takes its time to move E-wards but is in Poland by Sat 1st with HP 1030mb reaching Ireland from the W; still N/NE-lies for N Sea coasts. This HP stays in much the same place to Mon 10th, extending its influence across Britain from time to time, but then retreats to the NW allowing a rather cold N-ly drift associated with an Arctic LP which had become established over N Norway. Final charts Thu 13th show a small low 1005mb which has developed in this drift running up the Channel.

ECM synoptics - similar to GFS at first but the HP over Ireland weakens and moves west sooner, by Fri 7th, and is then only just holding off any N-ly drift. An LP develops to the SW at that time and there is a suggestion it could move along the Channel much earlier than GFS proposes.

GEFS - generally on the cool side with some rain at first, then a little warmer and drier in the first week of June with moderately good agreement. After this the ens members diverge with mean near norm, op & control both suggesting warmer in the SE  but cooler in the N. Rain increasingly probable in the 2nd week of June.

Originally Posted by: DEW 



I can see that you've been away for a while as I'm sure that you actually meant to post that in the Model Output thread rather than here in the media thread.

Nevertheless that is perfectly understandable given that it can take a while to get out of holiday mode.🤣
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29 May 2024 08:20:46

I can see that you've been away for a while as I'm sure that you actually meant to post that in the Model Output thread rather than here in the media thread.

Nevertheless that is perfectly understandable given that it can take a while to get out of holiday mode.🤣

Originally Posted by: johncs2016 



Very true 😕 but I've now moved it. Thanks for pointing it out.
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picturesareme
29 May 2024 12:03:33
Lot's of doom & gloom in here!! Not really sure what it's been like up north or around London but the past month has been fairly decent down this way. Lot's of sunshine & warm temperatures - high teens to low twenties most of the time with a few days of mid twenties thrown in. Yes there may have been a tad more days than usual with rain falling, but this has often been overnight or early mornings, and some days just a rouge shower. The outlook continues to good as we move into June and wouldn't be surprised to see some upper 20's & low 30's in the forecast soon.
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