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Brian Gaze
14 March 2020 10:27:50


 


There are always going to be experts with different opinions. Apparently, one of the emergency powers the government is seeking next week, is one to keep schools open. They must be getting strong advice that closing schools is a mistake.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


The UK government has apparently already u-turned and will ban big gatherings. The most important thing now is transparency. A number of experts have concluded the government's managed "herd immunity" is not necessary and could cause hundreds of thousands of deaths. Remember WW1 Generals were educated and not necessarily with bad intentions.  


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Heavy Weather 2013
14 March 2020 10:28:27


 


There are always going to be experts with different opinions. Apparently, one of the emergency powers the government is seeking next week, is one to keep schools open. They must be getting strong advice that closing schools is a mistake.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


This is interesting re: Schools.


Speaking to friends who work in schools. They are suggesting that they will be closed from Friday and this is confirmed from highest levels of government to heads


Mark
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Brian Gaze
14 March 2020 10:29:12


 


This is interesting re: Schools.


Speaking to friends who work in schools. They are suggesting that they will be closed from Friday and this is confirmed from highest levels of government to heads


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Another u-turn if that is correct. Obviously I have no idea whether or not it is.


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Justin W
14 March 2020 10:30:03

Empty streets, empty shelves, people working from home...


A friend who travels into London on the high speed from Ashford said yesterday’s 12 coach early morning train (which is normally standing room only) had some carriages occupied by just one person.


Clearly, most stay at homes are trying to avoid getting infected. How long does this go on for? Do people get fed up and start going out again? Or is there months of this ahead? If the latter, then the UK’s market economy is going to collapse.


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Gooner
14 March 2020 10:30:56


 


This is interesting re: Schools.


Speaking to friends who work in schools. They are suggesting that they will be closed from Friday and this is confirmed from highest levels of government to heads


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


My son Ethan is at secondary school and they are getting ready for a 2 week working from home plan for the pupils , I'm thinking behind the scenes closures are being discussed , it wouldn't surprise me if next weekend we hear something 


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nouska
14 March 2020 10:31:29


 


This is exactly the case.


The extreme measures which some on here were arguing for a month or two ago weren’t even put into place in Singapore. They didn’t close their borders, close everything down, or ban travel - the most draconian measure they took was to ban travellers who’d been to mainland China. Yes more travel restrictions are coming in now but that’s only because of the ridiculous situation in Europe. 


Like you say it was all about the extremely clear public message, meticulous contact tracing, and effective preventative measures. These should have been put into place here, if we wanted to have any hope of having control of this virus. 


We have taken a very different approach and only time will tell if it’s the right one. I’m sorry to say I have my doubts, but clearly I’m not an expert. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


I suspect control has been helped by meticulous cleanliness in public places.


Look at patient #1 in Seattle - a cascade of infection down the west coast is genetically traced back to that case. You could be as thorough as possible in contact tracing but you cannot stop the spread of a virus that is infectious before symptoms appear and that remains on surfaces for several days.

Maunder Minimum
14 March 2020 10:31:44


 


This is interesting re: Schools.


Speaking to friends who work in schools. They are suggesting that they will be closed from Friday and this is confirmed from highest levels of government to heads


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


They must be preparing for both possibilities in that case - divided opinion.


People should not be surprised if expert advice changes in the light of experience. When it comes to mass sport, the government did not need to act in any case, since the sporting bodies themselves made decisions in the light of their own needs and experiences. Not everything has to happen by government edict.


 


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
14 March 2020 10:34:18

Some genuinely good news:


Chinese specialists help Italy fight the virus



A team of specialist Chinese doctors is in Italy to help the country in its fight against the virus, Ansa news agency reports.


They brought with them equipment including ventilators, respirators and masks.


They include the vice-president of the Chinese Red Cross and a professor of cardiopulmonary resuscitation, both part of the team of intensive care specialists, pediatricians and nurses who treated coronavirus patients in China.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51886497


1) Chinese Drs will have genuine expertise having been through this


2) Lots of countries are slamming the doors and pursuing beggar-thy-neighbour and this is the opposite


3) It suggests the Chinese are increasingly confident they have their own situation under control (e.g. don't help others with their oxygen mask until yours is securely fastened) 


*If* 3 is correct it suggests Whittey and Vallance are badly wrong.


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Gavin D
14 March 2020 10:35:04

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14 March 2020 10:35:17


As we are only testing now in hospitals then you'd expect a jump so we need some more days of data yet to see how it is progressing


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 

  Was going to say exactly that!  We can’t compare the data from the new testing regime with the old one.  Now they are concentrating on testing the more likely cases, the number of positive results can be expected to be higher. 


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Gavin D
14 March 2020 10:36:22
Jet2 have cancelled all flights to mainland Spain and its Islands with immediate effect.

Flights already airborne to Spain have turned round and headed back to the UK
Maunder Minimum
14 March 2020 10:36:34


*If* 3 is correct it suggests Whittey and Vallance are badly wrong.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Not necessarily - China has not achieved herd immunity and is itself locking down visitors from overseas.


Until there is either herd immunity or a widely available functional vaccine, all populations are at risk.


But China has seen off its first wave and it makes sense for them to help others experiencing theirs.


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
14 March 2020 10:36:48


 


They must be preparing for both possibilities in that case - divided opinion.


People should not be surprised if expert advice changes in the light of experience. When it comes to mass sport, the government did not need to act in any case, since the sporting bodies themselves made decisions in the light of their own needs and experiences. Not everything has to happen by government edict.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Around here parents are taking matters into their own hands. I know for a fact that many are keeping their kids off school. This is an affluent area with high levels of education and an early corona "hot spot". Therefore, I would suggest we are slightly ahead of the curve and the local scenario will soon be repeated across the UK. It will leave the government with no choice. 


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Justin W
14 March 2020 10:39:07
China has a very strong interest in jump starting the western economies. I imagine that is what this aid for Italy is really about.
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Maunder Minimum
14 March 2020 10:40:28

China has a very strong interest in jump starting the western economies. I imagine that is what this aid for Italy is really about.

Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Exactly what I thought.


New world order coming.
Maunder Minimum
14 March 2020 10:41:46


 


Around here parents are taking matters into their own hands. I know for a fact that many are keeping their kids off school. This is an affluent area with high levels of education and an early corona "hot spot". Therefore, I would suggest we are slightly ahead of the curve and the local scenario will soon be repeated across the UK. It will leave the government with no choice. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


It is affluent areas which are seeing the fastest rise in cases and there is a reason for that - those are the areas from which people go on ski trips to the Alps.


Fortunately for the working classes, this has occurred before the peak season on the Costas and Spain is shutting down now.


New world order coming.
Gooner
14 March 2020 10:41:57


 


Exactly what I thought.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Least they could bloody well do 


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Retron
14 March 2020 10:42:29


 


My son Ethan is at secondary school and they are getting ready for a 2 week working from home plan for the pupils , I'm thinking behind the scenes closures are being discussed , it wouldn't surprise me if next weekend we hear something 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


As I posted yesterday, all secondary schools were told by the Government on Thursday to make sure plans were in place to enable learning from home by yesterday. They were also told to send letters home to parents explaining this.


Now, whether schools have actually done it or not...


(And in the meantime, I've picked up a lovely bug from the head at my school; she was coughing all over the place during the initial meetings a week ago and now I've developed what seems like an extremely mild form of flu... shivering and sweating, cough and yes, I've spent most of the morning dozing. Not like me at all!)


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Heavy Weather 2013
14 March 2020 10:43:25


 


Around here parents are taking matters into their own hands. I know for a fact that many are keeping their kids off school. This is an affluent area with high levels of education and an early corona "hot spot". Therefore, I would suggest we are slightly ahead of the curve and the local scenario will soon be repeated across the UK. It will leave the government with no choice. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I have to say Brian - I see the same happening across the UK once we start seeing a real spike in cases. Parents will act in the interest of their children. We have seen with toilet roll that when things get irrational the dominos start to fall. 



 


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Bugglesgate
14 March 2020 10:44:55

China has a very strong interest in jump starting the western economies. I imagine that is what this aid for Italy is really about.

Originally Posted by: Justin W 


 


Indeed.  A prolonged period of economic disruption  is the last thing they want as a major producer.   If things get tough in China the population may start questioning the  status quo.   China is also being very open with its Corona   virus research and collaborating  fully internationally.


 


 


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Maunder Minimum
14 March 2020 10:45:39


 


I have to say Brian - I see the same happening across the UK once we start seeing a real spike in cases. Parents will act in the interest of their children. We have seen with toilet roll that when things get irrational the dominos start to fall. 

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


But children only appear to get mild symptoms from this bug - it is not the children we need to be concerned about, but the spread to older and vulnerable people.


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
14 March 2020 10:45:44


But China has seen off its first wave and it makes sense for them to help others experiencing theirs.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Aren't we still waiting for SARS wave 2?  


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Heavy Weather 2013
14 March 2020 10:46:18
It’s going to be interesting to see what’s happens in China now they are start to relax their quarantine.

It’s going to be very bad news if their cases start to go up again
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Maunder Minimum
14 March 2020 10:46:43


 


Aren't we still waiting for SARS wave 2?  


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


SARS never became a true pandemic.


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
14 March 2020 10:47:53


Indeed.  A prolonged period of economic disruption  is the last thing they want as a major producer.   If things get tough in China the population may start questioning the  status quo.   China is also being very open with its Corona   virus research and collaborating  fully internationally.


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


 Completely agree there is a strong element of self-interest in what the Chinese are doing. However, altruism is very often laced with self-interest whether it be at the individual or community level. 


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