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Gandalf The White
16 March 2020 13:17:55


Rolls-Royce cars to be asked to build ventilators:




Car manufacturers asked to make ventilators


Car manufacturers are the latest firms to be asked to contribute to the fight against coronavirus.


The UK government is asking the likes of Rolls Royce, Ford and Honda to help build medical equipment, including ventilators, amid growing concern about a shortage of the life-saving equipment.


Downing Street says it wants the manufacturing sector "to come together to help the country".


But the BBC's business editor, Simon Jack, says manufacturers are far from ready to switch production.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51896168


 


Edit: Even the establishment's voice say this:


Although firms stand ready and able to produce more ventilators, a lack of clarity on design specifications and component sourcing mean that production remains many weeks away.


 


The UK government has been caught with its pants down




 

 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Absolutely right!


This is absurd - the time for trying to find alternative sources for ventilators was at least two months ago when Covid-19 was starting to spread.  There are highly paid people in government who are supposed to plan for these things.


I'm not even sure it can be done unless we're going to build all of the components from scratch.


 


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chelseagirl
16 March 2020 13:20:02


I avoid any medication and prefer to soothe ailments naturally if I can.  I get a bit of hay fever but rather than take antihistamines, I drink nettle tea.  Nettle has natural antihistamines and it’s free!  


Hmmm!  Just realised you probably now have visions of me with a large wart on my nose, stirring a simmering pot. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Well, as long as you don’t add eye of newt and toe of frog, you’ll be fine! We all know where eating odd animals get us, don’t we. ๐Ÿ˜‚


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Gandalf The White
16 March 2020 13:20:31


An interesting read about what might have 'gone wrong' in Italy. Perhaps not much!


https://www.wired.co.uk/article/coronavirus-italy


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Quote from the article:  "But the alarming thing for other countries is that there doesn’t seem to be anything that Italy did particularly wrong."


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Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 13:21:12


 


Absolutely right!


This is absurd - the time for trying to find alternative sources for ventilators was at least two months ago when Covid-19 was starting to spread.  There are highly paid people in government who are supposed to plan for these things.


I'm not even sure it can be done unless we're going to build all of the components from scratch.


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Bugglesgate and nsrobbins made some informed posts on the feasibility earlier in this thread or the last one.


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Gandalf The White
16 March 2020 13:22:27


 


Well, as long as you don’t add eye of newt and toe of frog, you’ll be fine! We all know where eating odd animals get us, don’t we. ๐Ÿ˜‚


Originally Posted by: chelseagirl 



 


Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn and cauldron bubble


 


That ought to kill the virus..



 


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Maunder Minimum
16 March 2020 13:22:39


 


Absolutely right!


This is absurd - the time for trying to find alternative sources for ventilators was at least two months ago when Covid-19 was starting to spread.  There are highly paid people in government who are supposed to plan for these things.


I'm not even sure it can be done unless we're going to build all of the components from scratch.


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Come off it Gandalf - you were one of the ones trying to play down the whole issue when it first became apparent.


Whilst the Government should have taken measures to obtain an increase in ventilator supply a couple of months ago, that would have meant taking the outbreak in China in January absolutely seriously from the outset, including tighter travel restrictions at the time - something you said was "hysterical" and unnecessary.


New world order coming.
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16 March 2020 13:27:10


 


Well, as long as you don’t add eye of newt and toe of frog, you’ll be fine! We all know where eating odd animals get us, don’t we. ๐Ÿ˜‚


Originally Posted by: chelseagirl 


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xioni2
16 March 2020 13:27:56


 Come off it Gandalf - you were one of the ones trying to play down the whole issue when it first became apparent.


Whilst the Government should have taken measures to obtain an increase in ventilator supply a couple of months ago, that would have meant taking the outbreak in China in January absolutely seriously from the outset, including tighter travel restrictions at the time - something you said was "hysterical" and unnecessary.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I don't recall Gandalf or anyone else arguing that the govt shouldn't take this seriously and shouldn't take reasonable measures (I remember lots of posts about striking the right balance etc.). The WHO had also called in Feb for all countries to increase their number of ventilators (and train more stuff).


 

Gandalf The White
16 March 2020 13:28:47


 


Completely agree. However, the government needs to be completely honest and open. If we don't do EVERYTHING it means we are putting a £ price on human life. That could be desirable or even essential. Not being open about it is neither.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


I think it's much more nuanced than that, Brian.


Somehow people need to earn a living and pay their bills; life has to go on at some level - the issue is at what level?


If you close schools, universities, restaurants, hotels, non-essential shops, libraries and limit travel for the length of time required that's going to have huge consequences.


In every day life we make judgments on the level of risk associated with what we do all the time.  I think we have a way to go to establish the true level of risk associated with Covid-19 at a personal level.  


We simply can't go into lock-down for month after month.


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Gandalf The White
16 March 2020 13:32:41


 


Come off it Gandalf - you were one of the ones trying to play down the whole issue when it first became apparent.


Whilst the Government should have taken measures to obtain an increase in ventilator supply a couple of months ago, that would have meant taking the outbreak in China in January absolutely seriously from the outset, including tighter travel restrictions at the time - something you said was "hysterical" and unnecessary.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Come off it Richard, I was saying we shouldn't overreact and that is still absolutely right.


You were doing your headless chicken impersonation and, way before it was appropriate, demanding an end to cruises, closing borders and all manner of nonsense.


My point here is that announcing a request for industry to switch production NOW is bad timing.  Behind the scenes they should have been testing the possibilities and the options weeks and weeks ago.


 


Your position has shifted significantly over the last month with, eventually, an appreciation of the wider issues involved. Let's not pretend you called this right because you haven't.


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Gandalf The White
16 March 2020 13:34:14


 


I don't recall Gandalf or anyone else arguing that the govt shouldn't take this seriously and shouldn't take reasonable measures (I remember lots of posts about striking the right balance etc.). The WHO had also called in Feb for all countries to increase their number of ventilators (and train more stuff).


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 



Good that you have an accurate recollection of the key message in my posts.  Pity Richard's memory is so fallible.


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Gavin D
16 March 2020 13:34:32

โ€‹Sky news have listed those that could be most at risk from corona




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Some of the chronic conditions said to heighten the risk among patients are:



  • Heart disease

  • Lung disease

  • Diabetes

  • High blood pressure

  • Cancer


Ireland's health services have also released a list of conditions that weaken the immune system, and include:



  • Patients undergoing treatments for cancer

  • Patients undergoing treatments for autoimmune diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, multiple sclerosis (MS) and inflammatory bowel diseases

  • Patients with HIV

  • Anyone who has had organ or bone marrow transplants





Asthma sufferers are also at risk and perhaps more crucially for some younger people is smokers and those who exposed to Second-hand smoke


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-what-are-the-underlying-health-conditions-at-greater-risk-from-illness-11958276


โ€‹

Gandalf The White
16 March 2020 13:38:37


โ€‹Sky news have listed those that could be most at risk from corona




Quote


Some of the chronic conditions said to heighten the risk among patients are:



  • Heart disease

  • Lung disease

  • Diabetes

  • High blood pressure

  • Cancer


Ireland's health services have also released a list of conditions that weaken the immune system, and include:



  • Patients undergoing treatments for cancer

  • Patients undergoing treatments for autoimmune diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, multiple sclerosis (MS) and inflammatory bowel diseases

  • Patients with HIV

  • Anyone who has had organ or bone marrow transplants





Asthma sufferers are also at risk and perhaps more crucially for some younger people is smokers and those who exposed to Second-hand smoke


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-what-are-the-underlying-health-conditions-at-greater-risk-from-illness-11958276


โ€‹


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


 


Just to clarify: the risk associated with diabetes relates only to the complications from long-term diabetes.   There's no heightened risk per se.  I've heard this stressed by more than one healthcare professional.


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Roger Parsons
16 March 2020 13:38:56


Rolls-Royce cars to be asked to build ventilators:




Car manufacturers asked to make ventilators


Car manufacturers are the latest firms to be asked to contribute to the fight against coronavirus.


The UK government is asking the likes of Rolls Royce, Ford and Honda to help build medical equipment, including ventilators, amid growing concern about a shortage of the life-saving equipment.


Downing Street says it wants the manufacturing sector "to come together to help the country".


But the BBC's business editor, Simon Jack, says manufacturers are far from ready to switch production.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51896168


 


Edit: Even the establishment's voice say this:


Although firms stand ready and able to produce more ventilators, a lack of clarity on design specifications and component sourcing mean that production remains many weeks away.


The UK government has been caught with its pants down




Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Sounds like a Fiat worse than breath.


 



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Gandalf The White
16 March 2020 13:40:40


 


Sounds like a Fiat worse than breath.


 



Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


I fear your humour is getting rusty....




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Maunder Minimum
16 March 2020 13:42:22


 


Sounds like a Fiat worse than breath.


 



Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 



But it is all about timing - the government could be off the hook on this one, if the peak really is still weeks away.


As I write, we still apparently have only two hospitalised cases here in Worcestershire, so clearly we are not running out of ICU beds and ventilators here yet.


I simply don't know what the situation is like in other areas and regions, I only know the situation in Worcestershire because my daughter and son-in-law are healthcare professionals in Worcs.


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 13:43:43


 


Sounds like a Fiat worse than breath.


 



Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


Very good. 


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Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 13:44:33


 



But it is all about timing - the government could be off the hook on this one, if the peak really is still weeks away.


As I write, we still apparently have only two hospitalised cases here in Worcestershire, so clearly we are not running out of ICU beds and ventilators here yet.


I simply don't know what the situation is like in other areas and regions, I only know the situation in Worcestershire because my daughter and son-in-law are healthcare professionals in Worcs.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Another ventilator has just become available in Wales.


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Chunky Pea
16 March 2020 13:45:02


 


I'd careful even with paracetamol, both it and ibuprofen are overused. It has also been found not to be better than placebo for chronic pain.


http://www.ox.ac.uk/research/what%E2%80%99s-point-paracetamol


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


I'd disagree with that. As someone who suffers from regular (but thankfully not to frequent) debilitating migraines, I find paracetamol helps ease the pain a lot quicker than ibuprofen, though which when does kick in tends to have a longer effect. 


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Maunder Minimum
16 March 2020 13:47:19


 


Another ventilator has just become available in Wales.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Yes - I saw that. I don't know how quickly a ventilator can be put back into use however.


P.S. The Welsh situation appears to be a cluster of cases mostly within one area - Swansea/Cardiff/Newport.


 


New world order coming.
xioni2
16 March 2020 13:47:49


 I'd disagree with that. As someone who suffers from regular (but thankfully not to frequent) debilitating migraines, I find paracetamol helps ease the pain a lot quicker than ibuprofen, though which when does kick in tends to have a longer effect. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


You are Irish, so your experience doesn't count (we are going back to basics here).


Gavin D
16 March 2020 13:49:23

Coronavirus: Teesside Airport hotel offered up as potential medical facility




Quote

 


AN airport hotel will be turned into a "temporary medical facility" to help increase the number of beds the NHS has to deal with coronavirus. The St George Hotel at Teesside International Airport has been offered up as a possible location for medical staff as they prepare for a rise in COVID-19 patients.


On Monday, the Tees Valley Mayor Ben Houchen made the announcement after revealing he had spoken with ministers and officials about the government's response to the pandemic. In a statement confirming the planned conversion, he said: “Over the last 72 hours I have had numerous calls with ministers and officials to discuss how we can best respond to the challenge we face and support the critical work that is being done by our NHS.


 





https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18308425.coronavirus-teesside-airport-hotel-offered-potential-medical-facility/?fbclid=IwAR3_QpoVVup50dVSKPJgi2JkOYwscDuSJFZ1e-wuieNEGXlh1U3zMk5_GJU

Chunky Pea
16 March 2020 14:01:33


 


You are Irish, so your experience doesn't count (we are going back to basics here).



Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I'll fightcha, begorra. 



 


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Gavin D
16 March 2020 14:04:14
Breaking: All horse racing will be behind closed doors from tomorrow untilย at least end of March.
Maunder Minimum
16 March 2020 14:08:01

Breaking: All horse racing will be behind closed doors from tomorrow until at least end of March.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


So long as I can still bet on the Grand National :-)


New world order coming.

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