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DEW
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12 June 2024 06:57:08
WX temps for week 1 show NW Europe below average, as before, but the cool weather is pushed back northwards on a broad front in week 2. For Britain this probably means back to norm; the Baltic benefits rather more. Rain in week 1 for Britain and the nearby continent. In week 2 this splits into two, one area for Ireland and the Atlantic, the other for the Alps and E Europe, N Sea coasts rather dry.

GFS Op - brief window of HP before Trough from Atlantic settles over Scotland 995mb Fri 14th. This continues to affect Britain until Wed 19th, pulling in air from the N more often than not, before resolving ca 21st into a zonal pattern with fine weather for the SE, unsettled in the NW, winds from W and later from SW. HP then tries to establish mostly to the E of Britain from about Mon 24th but gets disrupted by troughs reaching Ireland.

ECM - like GFS, though the zonal pattern from Fri 21st has LP closer to N Scotland

GEM - resembles GFS, later charts give HP from 24th a higher chance of establishing

GEFS - cool now, temps regain norm from about Mon 17th with good ens agreement; staying near norm with less good agreement to Mon 24th, then diverging but with an increased number of runs forecasting warmer weather. Modest amounts of rain at any time, but in the W persistent and sometimes quite heavy.
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Matty H
12 June 2024 16:19:12
A ground frost possible for tonight here. Absolutely pathetic
Chunky Pea
12 June 2024 16:47:12

A ground frost possible for tonight here. Absolutely pathetic

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



It won't last long. Summer sun will make short work of it.
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Jiries
12 June 2024 16:51:18

A ground frost possible for tonight here. Absolutely pathetic

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



More dangerous and lethal having clear skies and very cold but immediate overcast before sun rise they make matter worst and brutal cold overcast day temps so hope not materialised tonight.  So boring this phantom cold weather.
bledur
12 June 2024 18:39:54

ECM about as bad as it gets for a Uk summer. A large, often deep area of low pressure with stalling fronts. High winds and persistent showers particularly for the north. Any real hint of heat bottled up over the Balearics. 
The question is, how much longer can this sh**fest last?

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


 Looks like the pattern will repeat for the next 10 days , Cool and mostly dry /warmer and wetter /cool and mostly dry.
As it is still only the first half of June there is ample opportunity for the weather to markedly change to hot and sunny .
One thing is certain . No one will see it coming.☺
Ally Pally Snowman
12 June 2024 19:04:19
Nice ending to the ECM 12z tonight.  Azores HP builds in to the South with some very warm air aswell. But the ECM has been terrible in the 192h-240h range recently,  so little confidence at this stage.
 
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Hungry Tiger
12 June 2024 19:47:55
Some warm stuff is showing up on models for the end of the month.    🙂 
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White Meadows
12 June 2024 22:20:32

Some warm stuff is showing up on models for the end of the month.    🙂 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Huge outlier that heat, sadly: 
https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?model=gfs&lid=ENS&var=2&bw=1&geoid=49069 

….but something *could be brewing if taking ecm 12z into consideration.
 
White Meadows
13 June 2024 06:53:09
ECM this morning sticking with its guns for something warmer end of next week:

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&time=216&run=00&lid=OP&h=0&tr=24&mv=0#mapref 

 
DEW
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13 June 2024 07:05:48
WX charts show warmth moving north but oh-so-gradually; all of Britain back to norm by week 2, France looking moderately warm, but the real gainer is that part of Scandinavia near the Baltic. Some rain for most of NW Europe in week 1 but mostly in the NW and especially SE England. In week 2 rain generally dying out but still around in patches - Wales, Belgium, Switzerland.

GFS Op - Atlantic LP moving into Scotland 990mb tomorrow 14th and affecting all of Britain until Tue 18th while slowly filling and eventually moving off to the N. Ridge of HP then moving in from the SW, spoilt for the SE by LP from Biscay reaching E Anglia 1005mb Thu 20th before HP based in N Sea covers the whole country Sun 23rd. By the end of the following week this HP has moved to the NE while a trough approaches Ireland 1005 mb Fri 28th.

ECM - similar to GFS but places the ridge of HP around Thu 20th further to the SE so SW-lies for Scotland and LP from Biscay staying out of the way over the Low Countries.

GEM - Evolution to Tue 18th similar to GFS but then keeps pressure fairly low over Britain as a whole before the HP arrives from the SW Thu 20th but placed even further SE than ECM, i.e. over N France - fine for England , less settled for Scotland.

GEFS - temps regaining norm around Tue 18th (sooner in N) and then staying there or slightly above with moderately good ens agreement to Fri 28th - best chance of warm and dry weather around Sun 23rd, some rain either side of this but not much in NE. 
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ozone_aurora
13 June 2024 07:45:17
Thanks Dew, as always.

Very cautiously optimistic with the output now.
Saint Snow
13 June 2024 08:53:15

ECM this morning sticking with its guns for something warmer end of next week:

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&time=216&run=00&lid=OP&h=0&tr=24&mv=0#mapref 

 

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 




Each of ECM, GFS and GEM hint at more chance of settled weather (temps for me are secondary to settled and dry, certainly this early in summer) with high pressure in better proximity to the UK and the overall pattern seeming a bit more 'traditional'. ECM the pick of the FI's.

 

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idj20
13 June 2024 09:26:25

Each of ECM, GFS and GEM hint at more chance of settled weather (temps for me are secondary to settled and dry, certainly this early in summer) with high pressure in better proximity to the UK and the overall pattern seeming a bit more 'traditional'. ECM the pick of the FI's.

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



Just hope the 00z GFS's 50+ mm of rain under a fresh NE airflow for my location next Wednesday (6 days away) is a wild outlier. 🤣 I think that French low is going to throw the spanner in the works one way or the other. 
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ozone_aurora
13 June 2024 09:31:38

Just hope the 00z GFS's 50+ mm of rain under a fresh NE airflow for my location next Wednesday (6 days away) is a wild outlier. 🤣 I think that French low is going to throw the spanner in the works one way or the other. 

Originally Posted by: idj20 


And of course (obviously), may bring ⛈⛈⛈⛈⛈⛈⛈⛈⛈⛈
 
Ally Pally Snowman
13 June 2024 18:56:54
Horrific 12s once again. Write off all of June now
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Ally Pally Snowman
13 June 2024 19:10:15
Hopefully ECM 12z is a massive unsettled outlier otherwise we are in trouble.  
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Jiries
13 June 2024 19:10:28

Horrific 12s once again. Write off all of June now

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



Very likely we get no June summer season this at all once again and this country climate is not adhering the season at all, when you expect a summer season should be seasonal up to 75-80% while rest is a day to few days of low or high temperatures or unsettled shorter spells   This month barely touch above average for few hours only.  Also the problem with models still carry on very unreliable and rubbish than the past, this week was meant to be in the low 20;s but turn out just low teen temps.
Ally Pally Snowman
13 June 2024 19:26:34

Very likely we get no June summer season this at all once again and this country climate is not adhering the season at all, when you expect a summer season should be seasonal up to 75-80% while rest is a day to few days of low or high temperatures or unsettled shorter spells   This month barely touch above average for few hours only.  Also the problem with models still carry on very unreliable and rubbish than the past, this week was meant to be in the low 20;s but turn out just low teen temps.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 



If the ECM 12z is right we are talking 1675 bad. 



 
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White Meadows
13 June 2024 19:44:45

If the ECM 12z is right we are talking 1675 bad. 



 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Why, what happened in 1675?
 
Chunky Pea
13 June 2024 19:53:03

Why, what happened in 1675?
 

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


Blizzards in July. 
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